NeptunePenguins Posted August 4, 2023 Author Share Posted August 4, 2023 The more I watch of Caleb Williams the more personally I feel that should take him. Actually watched a bit and I would struggle to see any reason not to take him the more I watch of him. Not saying he is the next Mahomes, but he certainly has talent I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted August 4, 2023 Author Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 hour ago, mtmmike said: What is the trade value for kyler Murray? What is the trade value for the first overall There is a excellent chance at trading down from there getting multiple number 1s plus land Harrison. I think either way the Cards are in good shape if they can manage to get that number 1 pick. Texans did some good stuff back to back this draft, and I could see the Cards pulling off an amazing draft next year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 2 hours ago, NeptunePenguins said: I think either way the Cards are in good shape if they can manage to get that number 1 pick. Texans did some good stuff back to back this draft, and I could see the Cards pulling off an amazing draft next year as well. That said I think the Cardinals win more games then us and Houston wins more games than us next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Who is trading for Kyler Murray, with that contract and if the Cardinals are willing to cut bait, commitment to his craft? Seriously? Would be hilarious though taking 3 QB in the top 10 in 6 years. Two #1 overall. 👌 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Cards go 2-15 Kyler throws 38 tds 10 ints. No running game. Defense leaks like a sieve averages 38 points a game Only way they take Marv jnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted August 5, 2023 Author Share Posted August 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: Cards go 2-15 Kyler throws 38 tds 10 ints. No running game. Defense leaks like a sieve averages 38 points a game Only way they take Marv jnr Yeah that was one of the reasons why I think there is a slight chance they take Marv Jr. I feel if a scenario where in his limited time playing Kyler plays lights out but somehow ends up with the number one pick they end up keeping him and investing in the rest of the team, and that's only if neither of the top 2 QBs have a good season, because if one of them has a good one, especially a season for the ages I feel a GM will at least take a shot on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 15 hours ago, ET80 said: I’d draft Caleb and move Kyler to WR before I draft Harrison Jr at 1. More like move him to OF in Oakland amiright? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 23 hours ago, NeptunePenguins said: With Kyler Murray on their roster it isn't impossible that they pick a wideout 1st overall. Yes it is. Barring some sort of epic meltdown, Caleb Williams is practically already a lock to go to Arizona at #1 overall. And I don't even think Caleb Williams is THAT amazing. He's a great prospect, but I think Bryce Young is just as good of a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 On 8/4/2023 at 8:06 PM, Kiwibrown said: Cards go 2-15 Kyler throws 38 tds 10 ints. Kyler isn't posting 38/10 in the 6-8 games he'll play in post ACL recovery. Part of the reason "move on from Kyler" makes sense is that he's going to be recovering from a knee injury. He's a QB who was pretty much worthless outside of using his athleticism to create plays - now he's having to demonstrate work ethic and consistency (not exactly two things he's known for) to get back onto the field to begin with, and who knows what he looks like without his elite ability to create plays off script. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 9 hours ago, ET80 said: Kyler isn't posting 38/10 in the 6-8 games he'll play in post ACL recovery. Part of the reason "move on from Kyler" makes sense is that he's going to be recovering from a knee injury. He's a QB who was pretty much worthless outside of using his athleticism to create plays - now he's having to demonstrate work ethic and consistency (not exactly two things he's known for) to get back onto the field to begin with, and who knows what he looks like without his elite ability to create plays off script. Didn't realize he was out that long I'll go 16/5 tds to ints. Are they starting Colt McCoy? Bad news 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 You know, I will issue one caveat. It would not be absolutely, astonishingly insane to pass on Caleb Williams if Maye and Nix or Travis or some other of the top QB prospects ball out AND the Texans' pick is in the top 5. Even then, it's hard to see Williams not being the top guy, and not taking the top QB, when he's as good a prospect as Williams, is generally a bad idea no matter how great a receiver you pick up. I mean, look at the Lions with Calvin Johnson. Unquestionably the best receiver in the league for a good chunk of his career, and it still didn't really move the needle for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted August 7, 2023 Author Share Posted August 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Daniel said: You know, I will issue one caveat. It would not be absolutely, astonishingly insane to pass on Caleb Williams if Maye and Nix or Travis or some other of the top QB prospects ball out AND the Texans' pick is in the top 5. Even then, it's hard to see Williams not being the top guy, and not taking the top QB, when he's as good a prospect as Williams, is generally a bad idea no matter how great a receiver you pick up. I mean, look at the Lions with Calvin Johnson. Unquestionably the best receiver in the league for a good chunk of his career, and it still didn't really move the needle for the team. Yeah I do agree with that. The Cards before anything else need a stable QB situation. Honestly even before watching Williams play more I felt personally it would be wild to pass on him, but on the internet quite a few Cardinals fans where berating a guy saying "it would make no sense to use the overall on Caleb and to draft a wideout" and that made me think that there are actually some out there that would take a wideout number 1 overall. Anyways, watching even more of Williams and it seems the more I watch the more I think it would be a major mistake to pass on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Yeah, even if Williams wasnt as highly touted as he is they should still take QB first overall. If they are bad enough to earn the #1 pick, that likely also means Kyler Murray had a terrible season in which you would have to have to think about replacing him regardless. The sand in the hourglass is running low for Kyler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, NeptunePenguins said: Yeah I do agree with that. The Cards before anything else need a stable QB situation. Honestly even before watching Williams play more I felt personally it would be wild to pass on him, but on the internet quite a few Cardinals fans where berating a guy saying "it would make no sense to use the overall on Caleb and to draft a wideout" and that made me think that there are actually some out there that would take a wideout number 1 overall. Anyways, watching even more of Williams and it seems the more I watch the more I think it would be a major mistake to pass on him. Yeah. If you can secure another great QB prospect later, then it's potentially OK, but it's a huge gamble. And it gives off passing-on-Lawrence-for-Wilson vibes to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperX22 Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 Wait, do Cards fans still believe in Kyler Murray? You have a chance to take a legitimate franchise QB you take it. You trade Murray and don't think about it(you won't get much) but the Cardinals are going to be a disaster with Gannon coaching that team and the fans should embrace getting rid of both Gannon and Murray after 1 year of that marriage. Or don't and be irrelevant for a long time. Not going to hurt anyone else's feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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