2024 Draft

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[WhyAmIHere]

I think I just found my late round RB draft crush: Tyrone Tracy JR.  This guy is relentless and doesn't go down.  He cuts on a dime and he's only been a RB for like one year.  The kicker?  He played WR for 4 years at IOWA, so has good hands and can run routes...Kyle would have a blast with this guy.  

People cannot bring this guy down, he just keeps going.  Fun to watch.  Looks like a long strider but somehow he does some nasty cuts in traffic. 

[WhyAmIHere]

5 minutes ago, Forge said:

 

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Unfortunately the bastard Lions are going to get Robinson.  But I wouldn't be surprised if MHJ is the more impactful player 4 years from now...pass rush is king.  

[struby3]

2 hours ago, WhyAmIHere said:

I think I just found my late round RB draft crush: Tyrone Tracy JR.  This guy is relentless and doesn't go down.  He cuts on a dime and he's only been a RB for like one year.  The kicker?  He played WR for 4 years at IOWA, so has good hands and can run routes...Kyle would have a blast with this guy.  

People cannot bring this guy down, he just keeps going.  Fun to watch.  Looks like a long strider but somehow he does some nasty cuts in traffic. 

Iowa fan here. I like Tracy a lot too, but I'm not sure he will last until the late rounds. I could see him going in the 4th. Iowa terribly misused him. He was arguably the best athlete on the team and only touched the ball a few times per game, and often those were dumbarse Brian Ferentz end around runs. The most receiving yards he had in a season was 589 as a soph (154 as JR, 106 as SR, and 22 as a FR). He also had like 93 yards total rushing at Iowa. Then, he went to Purdue and turned into a legit NFL draft pick (just like Charlie Jones after he left Iowa for Purdue).

Takeaway #1 - Still learning to play RB, but has great potential and is a natural receiver. He averaged 4.4 YAC and was one of the most elusive players in college football. He improved at pass blocking a lot as the season progressed. He is also fast (4.48) and big (6'1", 210). He has some Deebo to him.

Takeaway #2 - Brian Ferentz sucks. F that guy.

Edit - Also worth noting that he will be 25 in November, so maybe that will lower his draft stock a bit. He wasn't used much in college, however, so he should have a lot of tread left.

Edited April 18 by struby3
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[Chrissooner49er]

12 hours ago, WhyAmIHere said:

Unfortunately the bastard Lions are going to get Robinson.  But I wouldn't be surprised if MHJ is the more impactful player 4 years from now...pass rush is king.  

Until you are gashed on a regular basis by the run...like we were this past season. I prefer guys who can be good at both rather than a guy who is stellar at one or the other. 

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First round

DE Marshawn Kneeland, Western Kentucky

Second round

OT Kingsley Suamataia, BYU

WR Malachi Corley, Western Kentucky

DE Chris Braswell, Alabama

DT Michael Hall Jr., Ohio State

CB Andru Phillips, Kentucky

Third round

OT Blake Fisher, Notre Dame

DT Brandon Dorlus, Oregon

LB Trevin Wallace, Kentucky

S Calen Bullock, USC

Fourth round

OT Caedan Wallace, Penn State

WR Javon Baker, Central Florida

WR Jacob Cowing, Arizona

CB DeCamerion Richardson, Mississippi State

Fifth round

TE Erick All, Iowa

Sixth round

WR Bub Means, Pittsburgh

CB Chau Smith-Wade, Washington State

S Sione Vaki, Utah

Seventh round

LB Tatum Bethune, Florida State

PFA

DT Evan Anderson, Florida Atlantic

Meanwhile, a report in March indicated that USC receiver Brenden Rice, the son of Pro Football Hall of Famer Jerry Rice, would visit the 49ers, but he didn’t end up coming, according to two league sources. Brugler projects Rice as a third- or fourth-round pick.

Another player linked to the 49ers, Oregon safety/linebacker Jamal Hill, also did not visit.

[J-ALL-DAY]

I was going to mention Chris Braswell. What is the reason he is not being talked about more? He's a raw prospect but someone that can be a good specialist off the edge on passing downs. He should be an option in round 2. 

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13 hours ago, WhyAmIHere said:

Unfortunately the bastard Lions are going to get Robinson.  But I wouldn't be surprised if MHJ is the more impactful player 4 years from now...pass rush is king.  

I'm just not a huge fan of Robinson the way some are.   I mean, I think he's a mid - late second round pick, so it's a nominal difference, but I don't get the draft crush thing on him that some have. 

Its a pure power profile....he will not be able to bend an edge, so he's a base edge if he plays out there. Even with the power profile, he's probably going to get washed out in the run game if he's inside. So he's a base end, interior pass rusher on the subpackage and I don't think he's going to be as good at the latter as Hall will be. I'm perfectly fine just popping Hall out on base downs and replacing him with a dime a dozen run stopper on base downs. I think being an all around player is massively overrated, tbh, especially since you don't want to play those guys all the time anyway. 

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I'm sad we didn't bring in Jermaine Burton. Almost certainly means he's off our board

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[WhyAmIHere]

1 hour ago, Forge said:

 

Another big board that shows how right around #31 it becomes a wasteland of sorts.  Good to see Kneeland right around #63, where he should be... I'd have him Even lower. 

Edited April 18 by WhyAmIHere

[WhyAmIHere]

2 hours ago, Forge said:

I'm just not a huge fan of Robinson the way some are.   I mean, I think he's a mid - late second round pick, so it's a nominal difference, but I don't get the draft crush thing on him that some have. 

Its a pure power profile....he will not be able to bend an edge, so he's a base edge if he plays out there. Even with the power profile, he's probably going to get washed out in the run game if he's inside. So he's a base end, interior pass rusher on the subpackage and I don't think he's going to be as good at the latter as Hall will be. I'm perfectly fine just popping Hall out on base downs and replacing him with a dime a dozen run stopper on base downs. I think being an all around player is massively overrated, tbh, especially since you don't want to play those guys all the time anyway. 

I can guarantee he won't get washed out vs the run inside.  He's going to be an immediate upgrade over Armstead, and I have no doubts about that...he'll give us some pass rush production from both the EDGE/inside that Armstead never did, he was just too slow.  

Anyways, he won't even be there at #31.....so if they think MHJ can eventually learn to stop the run, I'm all for it.  You know he's going to give you some pass rush immediately, so the value is there.  Just please don't pick Kneeland. 

[Steve_DeBerg_Fan_420]

21 hours ago, WhyAmIHere said:

I like Kneeland against the run for an EDGE.  But I was pretty disappointed by his pass rush production/moves.  It just seems like he doesn't have the burst.  

Yeah, for a DE he is fast, but not extremely quick or explosive.   Reminds me of Aaron Lynch with wheels to chase down the back sides of a play.  I don't think he fits in with what the 49ers do, but he could be a very valuable addition to a team like the Ravens or Pats. 

 

Chau Wade-Smith CB Washington is a little undersized outside corner.  He might be worth a look as a Kwon Williams type inside corner with a late pick. 

 

Malachi Corley:  This dude fits with what the 49ers do.  I feel like he has already been drafted by us somewhere around the 3rd round comps.  A back up Deebo-lite would be a valuable addition.  He's not as explosive as Deebo, but he has the instincts and skill set to fit in with what the 49ers do.

 

This is my first time scouting through the top 30 picks, and I am impressed with the scouting department.  They find the fits really well at this point.

Edited April 18 by Steve_DeBerg_Fan_420

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58 minutes ago, WhyAmIHere said:

I can guarantee he won't get washed out vs the run inside.  He's going to be an immediate upgrade over Armstead, and I have no doubts about that...he'll give us some pass rush production from both the EDGE/inside that Armstead never did, he was just too slow.  

Anyways, he won't even be there at #31.....so if they think MHJ can eventually learn to stop the run, I'm all for it.  You know he's going to give you some pass rush immediately, so the value is there.  Just please don't pick Kneeland. 

I don't think you're getting anything close to that kind of real pass rush from him on the outside. If he doesn't win with power there, he can't win. He can't beat a tackle on the outside shoulder and bend an edge. You are extremely reliant on the power component of his game hitting. And it's possible....there have definitely been successful power guys on the edge who aren't the most athletic, but very tough task for him to be a reliable pass rusher on the outside with his lack of athleticism. Would remind me of a guy like Kingsley Enagbare on the outside (though worth noting, I did like Enagbare his draft year, but viewed him as a third round guy on the outside because of that profile). He does have violent hands and an excellent reach and size, but I still think it's an uphill battle to be a truly successful pass rusher on the outside for him. I still highly value traits on the outside and I don't think he has them so that really hurts my opinion of what he could be. 

As for the run defense...very stout right now, and I have no issue with believing he's going to be very, very good holding the edge as a base DE, but that's a little different than holding up inside, where he's still only 285 pounds despite how strong he is. That's still a little on the light side and I don't think he moves laterally well.  When you start dealing with those moving IOL in the run game, pushing those holes...I'm definitely a little concerned and I'm certainly not going to take for granted that he's just going to be good there. 

With Hall, there's a rather large bust component that Robinson doesn't have (Robinson at the very least has a Clelin Ferrell career, I think), we should all admit. Lack of size is tough and there's just a world where for as athletic and explosive as he is, it's not enough to make up for that. But again, this need to have him play the run? I couldn't care less. Not what I want him for. Given that he's undersized, I don't want to overload his reps anyway. Give him 450 snaps, 400 of which are pass rushing snaps and I'm very happy. We could sign Ridgeway for the vet minimum right now to eat run downs. The need to make players into complete players is just not one I worry about too much. 

I mean, Javon Hargrave has been bad against the run since joining the Eagles and that didn't change last year. Do I think more of him because he plays bad run defense for 200 snaps a year than  I would if he played 150 fewer snaps that came mostly away from run downs? Not at all. 

[Steve_DeBerg_Fan_420]

Trevin Wallace LB, Kentucky.

Run fits and Fire Blitzes.  He would be the guy to match up against running backs.  He has a really good athletic profile, covers ground and takes good angles.  I am unsure about his abilities in coverage at this point.

Brandon Dorlus is an interesting prospect.......

 

He has great highlights.  His length and closing speed pop off the tape.  He is also pretty blockable on the inside.  He seems to get stood up or lose ground on most plays.  His better reps are outside, but his physical profile puts him as more of a developmental inside player.  At this point he is a true tweener.  I think he needs to get bigger to play DT, or more agile to be effective at end.

Not my favorite prospect at this point.  The long athletic traits could be worth a look as a UDFA 6th, 7th round type though.  Something about him is kinda Aldon Smith-y, but not in the bad way.

Edited April 18 by Steve_DeBerg_Fan_420