e16bball Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ARTMONK HOF said: The only way we get the 3rd pick, we need the Pats to win one of their 2 remaining games. Pats opponents Buffalo 9-6 and Jets 6-10 WC opponents SF 11-4 Dallas 11-5 Our opponents will only heighten our SOS The good news, such as it is, is that it looks like the number Tankathon is using already factors in all 17 opponents — so I think the records of our upcoming opponents is already included in the .519 SOS they’re showing for both teams? I do agree our best chance is if they beat the Jets, though. That seems like a toss-up game, and it would solve everything pretty neatly for us. Edited December 31, 2023 by e16bball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, e16bball said: The good news, such as it is, is that it looks like the number Tankathon is using already factors in all 17 opponents — so I think the records of our upcoming opponents is already included in the .519 SOS they’re showing for both teams? I do think our best chance is if they beat the Jets, though. That seems like a toss-up game, and it would solve everything pretty neatly for us. OK. That was question a little while back, how SOS was calculated prior or a running tabulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor made Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 On 12/30/2023 at 9:21 AM, ripsean21 said: We still have no clue what we have in Howell. No clue? I think we have somewhat of an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor made Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, e16bball said: The good news, such as it is, is that it looks like the number Tankathon is using already factors in all 17 opponents — so I think the records of our upcoming opponents is already included in the .519 SOS they’re showing for both teams? I do agree our best chance is if they beat the Jets, though. That seems like a toss-up game, and it would solve everything pretty neatly for us. So what now if we end up tied in SoS. It's a coinflip, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, taylor made said: So what now if we end up tied in SoS. It's a coinflip, right? I believe it’s head to head and since we beat the Pats they would get the 3rd pick. We have to hope the Pats win a game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) We now own the #2 pick. And that means 1) taking a QB; 2) trading back and netting a second first round pick in 2025. I know what I would do. Relevant article - https://lionswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-draft-history-trades-no-2-overall-pick-detroit-lions-trubisky-ricky-williams-rgiii/ The Wentz Trade - Browns send the #2 to the Eagles. The Eagles dealt the No. 8 pick, their third-round pick (No. 77) and a fourth-round pick (No. 100) in 2016, plus their 2017 first-rounder (No. 12) and a 2018 second-round pick (No. 64) to move up and select Wentz. BTW... reading that article, you'll read soooo many QB first-round busts. Edited December 31, 2023 by Skinsin2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Skinsin2013 said: We now own the #2 pick. And that means 1) taking a QB; 2) trading back and netting a second first round pick in 2025. I know what I would do. Relevant article - https://lionswire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-draft-history-trades-no-2-overall-pick-detroit-lions-trubisky-ricky-williams-rgiii/ The Wentz Trade - Browns send the #2 to the Eagles. The Eagles dealt the No. 8 pick, their third-round pick (No. 77) and a fourth-round pick (No. 100) in 2016, plus their 2017 first-rounder (No. 12) and a 2018 second-round pick (No. 64) to move up and select Wentz. BTW... reading that article, you'll read soooo many QB first-round busts. I just don’t see how you pass on Williams or Maye? You can’t have a top 2 pick again and not take a QB. This is so rare. You have to take the chance. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4209 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 hours ago, ARTMONK HOF said: I believe it’s head to head and since we beat the Pats they would get the 3rd pick. We have to hope the Pats win a game. https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nfl-draft-order-updated-170710540.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I just don’t see how you pass on Williams or Maye? You can’t have a top 2 pick again and not take a QB. This is so rare. You have to take the chance. Ya with us not having to trade up now I would just go ahead and take the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 25 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I just don’t see how you pass on Williams or Maye? You can’t have a top 2 pick again and not take a QB. This is so rare. You have to take the chance. I'm just a believer that QBs can be found anywhere in the draft. I won't go through all the names... you know them. And the Commanders need the extra ammo. They've depleted their young core players the past few years because Ron had no idea what he was doing. Plus top three QBs bust. Again, you know the names. I do believe they'll take a QB. It's just not what I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHatesnyder Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 hours ago, lavar703 said: I just don’t see how you pass on Williams or Maye? You can’t have a top 2 pick again and not take a QB. This is so rare. You have to take the chance. I can’t believe how lucky we are . We have an opportunity with two qbs who can be franchise guys . I agree , whatever we do please go QB at#2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHatesnyder Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Skinsin2013 said: I'm just a believer that QBs can be found anywhere in the draft. I won't go through all the names... you know them. And the Commanders need the extra ammo. They've depleted their young core players the past few years because Ron had no idea what he was doing. Plus top three QBs bust. Again, you know the names. I do believe they'll take a QB. It's just not what I would do. That might be true but a lot of starting qbs especially elite ones are first round guy . Burrow / Jackson/ Allen/maholmes / Tua/ etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 4 hours ago, Skinsin2013 said: I'm just a believer that QBs can be found anywhere in the draft. I won't go through all the names... you know them. And the Commanders need the extra ammo. They've depleted their young core players the past few years because Ron had no idea what he was doing. Plus top three QBs bust. Again, you know the names. I do believe they'll take a QB. It's just not what I would do. I’ll take the active QBs taken in the top 10 picks, and you take the ones who were chosen in the whole rest of the draft. That gives you roughly 95% of the picks. I know which group of QBs I think is better. It’s possible to find a special QB later in the draft. But it’s much more likely to do so with the most coveted picks. Edited January 1 by e16bball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 It's pretty remarkable that a loss to Dallas who has everything to play for next weekend could potentially alter the future of this franchise in such a strong way. Caleb Williams could be playing QB for this team next year. That was almost unfathomable at the start of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 29 minutes ago, lavar703 said: It's pretty remarkable that a loss to Dallas who has everything to play for next weekend could potentially alter the future of this franchise in such a strong way. Caleb Williams could be playing QB for this team next year. That was almost unfathomable at the start of the season. While I'm not sold on the QB, we need to hit a home run with our early 1st round pick. It is both a tremendous blessing and burden. We have not had a good run with the #2 overall pick. For me I hope it's a bookend tackle for the next 10+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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