Ongoing Coaching & GM Rumors/Updates Talk

[notthatbluestuff]

1 hour ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

Belichick should send them the highlights of the 28-3 comeback and let them know they can view that if they've still got questions.

Making the GOAT take a second interview is absurd. What an incompetent organization

 

To be fair I doubt it's really an "interview" as it is just a chance to finalize the arrangements and proposed hierarchy between BB and the GM, president etc.

[scar988]

53 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

It's incompetence to not schedule it all on the same day.

I very rarely laugh out loud at posts, but this was too precious. Thank you.

I was calling you a brainless moron. And it's not incompetence when you have other people and have to coordinate schedules. It's like you've never done a day of basic interview logistics related to hiring someone in your life.

40 minutes ago, FalconFan13 said:

That would be god awful  it better be BB + McDaniels as a combo package.  McDaniels is a garbage HC but he is a great OC. 

I'd be ok with McDaniels as an OC.

9 minutes ago, NJerseypaint said:

I'm curious to how McDaniels sees himself. He's had multiple tries at HC and each time comes crawling back to OC for Bill. That's gotta make him feel some type of way; unable to produce in the NFL without daddy watching over him.

Some guys need to be reined in. McDaniels is one of those guys.

9 minutes ago, Forge said:

BB or Brian Johnson....hmmm

Still working on the list. But this is coach No. 8 that's interviewed.

[ramssuperbowl99]

2 minutes ago, scar988 said:

I was calling you a brainless moron.

I need an adult this is too good

2 minutes ago, scar988 said:

And it's not incompetence when you have other people and have to coordinate schedules. It's like you've never done a day of basic interview logistics related to hiring someone in your life.

Been involved in hiring for the last 5 years. Second interviews are (and should be reserved for) for borderline candidates with no clear consensus.

But yeah no way you could possibly expect the GM to clear their calendars for 2 hours during the offseason for *checks notes* their single most important job responsibility. I'm sure whatever he was doing was way more important than a timely interview of the best coach of all time.

[ramssuperbowl99]

15 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said:

To be fair I doubt it's really an "interview" as it is just a chance to finalize the arrangements and proposed hierarchy between BB and the GM, president etc.

So Blank does the first meet and greet, and then they get into the meat and potatoes? That's even worse.

The GM should have done the real interview first and given his blessing to Blank. All having the owner come down and effectively make the decision before the structure is finalized means the GM is now stuck between a rock and a hard place, and now has to outline a working relationship with a subordinate when both parties know all of the leverage is with the subordinate.

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

1 hour ago, scar988 said:

I don't think he's good or bad. I think he's an option. I haven't seen enough either way to judge him.

Last year the Seahawks offense had Waldron and Dave Canales. The offense was great!

This year we had the same offense, added a new WR and a new RB, but lost Dave Canales. The offense was not great!

My conclusion: Dave Canales was the reason the Seahawks' offense was good, not Shane Waldron. Shane Waldron had some awful tendencies this year which really got highlighted as the season went on - specifically, his habit to run the ball on 2nd and long, leaving the Seahawks constantly in 3rd and long situations. Additionally, his habit to completely avoid the MOF for passing downs, something Geno Smith excelled at in 2022. His lack of play action, his lack of having checkdowns in route combinations, the fact the Seahawks (I think) had more rushing attempts than yards in the redzone (I think they were dead last in redzone rushing).

Yeah, he's not good. I will be elated if he's gone next year.

Edited January 18 by AFlaccoSeagulls

[Wyld Stallyns]

3 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

So Blank does the first meet and greet, and then they get into the meat and potatoes? That's even worse.

The GM should have done the real interview first and given his blessing to Blank. All having the owner come down and effectively make the decision before the structure is finalized means the GM is now stuck between a rock and a hard place, and now has to outline a working relationship with a subordinate when both parties know all of the leverage is with the subordinate.

When you’re interviewing 13 or more candidates, you get the initial interview to weed out the unworthy candidates.

when the Colts interviewed HC, they did 2 hour interviews in the first round, and then 6 plus hour interviews in the second round. 

[ramssuperbowl99]

Just now, Wyld Stallyns said:

When you’re interviewing 13 or more candidates, you get the initial interview to weed out the unworthy candidates.

when the Colts interviewed HC, they did 2 hour interviews in the first round, and then 6 plus hour interviews in the second round.

So are you arguing that the owner directly meeting with HC candidates 1-1 is the same as the GM doing a thorough screening?

The idea of needing to interview more than a dozen candidates for a HC position to me indicates the issue is either people keep passing, or the recruiting work up front for the role wasn't good enough. But even in the worst case, that's incredibly competent compared to having the owner meddle throughout the entire process, which is what this is.

[Soko]

1 hour ago, FalconFan13 said:

That would be god awful  it better be BB + McDaniels as a combo package.  McDaniels is a garbage HC but he is a great OC. 

Great is definitely a stretch. Josh is good though, no doubt. The unique “problem” with McDaniels though is that his offense is very QB heavy, in terms of running the offense. Requires the WRs to be smart, see the field a certain way, pick the right option as far as post snap goes. QB has to do more pre and post snap than in lots of other options. Super snappy when it works, but it requires unique skill sets and not every player can get it down.

[Wyld Stallyns]

2 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

So are you arguing that the owner directly meeting with HC candidates 1-1 is the same as the GM doing a thorough screening?

The idea of needing to interview more than a dozen candidates for a HC position to me indicates the issue is either people keep passing, or the recruiting work up front for the role wasn't good enough. But even in the worst case, that's incredibly competent compared to having the owner meddle throughout the entire process, which is what this is.

 

4 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

So are you arguing that the owner directly meeting with HC candidates 1-1 is the same as the GM doing a thorough screening?

The idea of needing to interview more than a dozen candidates for a HC position to me indicates the issue is either people keep passing, or the recruiting work up front for the role wasn't good enough. But even in the worst case, that's incredibly competent compared to having the owner meddle throughout the entire process, which is what this is.

I was responding to a post where you were criticizing the GM for not taking more time from his calendar to interview candidates for the first interview. Nothing was said about the owner in that post. 

[ramssuperbowl99]

5 minutes ago, Wyld Stallyns said:

I was responding to a post where you were criticizing the GM for not taking more time from his calendar to interview candidates for the first interview. Nothing was said about the owner in that post.

I stand by that criticism. Finding a HC should be the singular top priority for a GM, and everyone in the league knows interview season starts the Monday after Week 17. GMs are middle managers, they can delegate day to day tasks as needed. And if they don't feel like they can, it's a sign of their own incompetence.

Are you suggesting that the GM was off interviewing a dozen other guys while BB was glad-handing the owner, and that's a sign of overall organizational competence?

Edited January 18 by ramssuperbowl99

[scar988]

22 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

So Blank does the first meet and greet, and then they get into the meat and potatoes? That's even worse.

The GM should have done the real interview first and given his blessing to Blank. All having the owner come down and effectively make the decision before the structure is finalized means the GM is now stuck between a rock and a hard place, and now has to outline a working relationship with a subordinate when both parties know all of the leverage is with the subordinate.

13 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

So are you arguing that the owner directly meeting with HC candidates 1-1 is the same as the GM doing a thorough screening?

The idea of needing to interview more than a dozen candidates for a HC position to me indicates the issue is either people keep passing, or the recruiting work up front for the role wasn't good enough. But even in the worst case, that's incredibly competent compared to having the owner meddle throughout the entire process, which is what this is.

27 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

I need an adult this is too good

Been involved in hiring for the last 5 years. Second interviews are (and should be reserved for) for borderline candidates with no clear consensus.

But yeah no way you could possibly expect the GM to clear their calendars for 2 hours during the offseason for *checks notes* their single most important job responsibility. I'm sure whatever he was doing was way more important than a timely interview of the best coach of all time.

GM isn't over teh HC in Atlanta. It's obvious you don't understand how the FO is structured here. So I'll make a little graphic for you:

Owner - Blank

CEO - McKay

GM - Fontenot ====== HC (whoever it ends up being).

 

Blank and McKay lead the hiring process. Fontenot is there for his input, but he's not over or under the HC. He's equal to the HC. The fact that Belichick is the GOAT is why he met with only Blank to start out with. The rest of the candidates have been meeting with McKay and Fontenot first before meeting with Blank. And the way NFL head coaching interviews work and have always worked is there's a round of first interviews with a larger pool. Then there's a 2nd round with 2-3 candidates then the dude gets hired. It's not rocket science.

[scar988]

21 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Last year the Seahawks offense had Waldron and Dave Canales. The offense was great!

This year we had the same offense, added a new WR and a new RB, but lost Dave Canales. The offense was not great!

My conclusion: Dave Canales was the reason the Seahawks' offense was good, not Shane Waldron. Shane Waldron had some awful tendencies this year which really got highlighted as the season went on - specifically, his habit to run the ball on 2nd and long, leaving the Seahawks constantly in 3rd and long situations. Additionally, his habit to completely avoid the MOF for passing downs, something Geno Smith excelled at in 2022. His lack of play action, his lack of having checkdowns in route combinations, the fact the Seahawks (I think) had more rushing attempts than yards in the redzone (I think they were dead last in redzone rushing).

Yeah, he's not good. I will be elated if he's gone next year.

Fair enough. wonder if he'd be ok with being a QB coach (which might be his best role moving forward)

[CP3MVP]

I wonder how many terrible HC’s would have kept their job if you let it up to a players vote.

For example in NYC, Rex Ryan sucked but his players loved him. If you left it up to them to determine his fate I bet if the players got to vote at least 90% would say keep him. 

Edited January 18 by CP3MVP

[AnAngryAmerican]

50 minutes ago, NJerseypaint said:

I'm curious to how McDaniels sees himself. He's had multiple tries at HC and each time comes crawling back to OC for Bill. That's gotta make him feel some type of way; unable to produce in the NFL without daddy watching over him.

He’s like the 20-something who keeps getting arrested and fired from his job and has to keep going back home to live in his mom and dad’s basement. 

[ramssuperbowl99]

1 minute ago, scar988 said:

GM isn't over teh HC in Atlanta. It's obvious you don't understand how the FO is structured here. So I'll make a little graphic for you:

Owner - Blank

CEO - McKay

GM - Fontenot ====== HC (whoever it ends up being).

So every single criticism still applies, but it's the CEO who has had his authority as hiring manager undermined instead of the GM.