Antonio Pierce named HC

[bucksavage1]

42 minutes ago, SimonGruber said:

Isn’t Whitehair just a depth/versatility piece?. Who only played because JPJ was hurt unless I’m mistaken. 

Could be mistaken but Whitehair was brought in as a starter the entire offseason 

[NCOUGHMAN]

5 hours ago, Darbsk said:

I always thought he was pretty good here. He was overpriced though wasn’t he?

Naw just untimely penalty machine 

[NYRaider]

2 hours ago, bucksavage1 said:

Could be mistaken but Whitehair was brought in as a starter the entire offseason 

They signed him right before the draft so that they wouldn't have to reach at OG. He was projected to start for like 2 weeks and then we drafted JPJ.

[Chali21]

Andre James is one of the worst Grudock decisions that’s still on this roster. Replacing Rodney Hudson with an undersized undrafted FA was a pretty poor idea. 

[Darbsk]

5 hours ago, big_palooka said:

2 yr. 14 mil. I think part of the pull to NY was they hired the Raider former Oline coach who he was close with. He has the Giant Oline looking great. Was one of the better positional coaches under JMD. Raiders certainly downgraded there.

Oh ok, that seems pretty reasonable for a solid RT to be honest. I’m fine with Glaze for now as I don’t think we’re in a position to compete so let’s see what the young man has. Munford looks like a very solid swing tackle to me, who you don’t have an aneurism if he’s suddenly in the game and I think JPJ can be an absolute star. Personally, I’d move Parham to OC and try and find another big ugly meanie to man the other OG spot. I think Millers issues are injury related but something to keep an eye on.

[ronjon1990]

8 hours ago, big_palooka said:

I disagree. He built some talented rosters w/ the Chargers. They underachieved, which is largely on coaching which it's not clear who that falls on. Spanos is long known for being cheap and not firing coaches. 

He's not perfect, but steady. He could do more to help the fringe of the roster certainly. 

I trust him enough to see what he does at QB and HC if it comes to that. Those would be decisions that answer a lot of questions. 

We disagree on a GM. Shocker lol. 

[Styrian Raider]

34 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

We disagree on a GM. Shocker lol. 

Sometimes ist seems to me that you guys do that ob purpose - having the exact opposite opinion in something lol 

[ronjon1990]

1 hour ago, Styrian Raider said:

Sometimes ist seems to me that you guys do that ob purpose - having the exact opposite opinion in something lol 

He's much more forgiving of front office personnel than I am. 

I won't sit here and say the Spanos family is the benchmark of quality ownership, but Tom Telesco's track record with FAs and the draft isn't very good. He got lucky a few times, such as with Herbert, and had a couple of no-brainer can't really screw up picks like Bosa, but overall LA has been garbage for a while, propped up by a couple decent players and guys from pre-Telesco days. 

Supposedly he built a talented roster and was held back by bad coaches the owner wouldn't fire. Problem is, they still look pretty bad with Jim Harbaugh coaching them. They have wins over us and Carolina and Denver- none of which say a lot. A truly talented roster, Harbaugh would have looking far better. He was fired for a reason, and after a decade, hard to say he was a scapegoat. 

We went through the same.last year when he jumped to Champ Kelly's defense. He downplayed, in my opinion, Kelly's roots with McDaniels and Brian Xanders, and made it out as though Kelly was just a paper pusher in his role.as Asst. GM of the Bears.

I'm not nearly as forgiving. I'm not swayed by sweet talk. Guys either have a track record of success, or they don't. Kelly didn't, and we're seeing the results of his stewardship. Zeigler didn't, and we've seen how it worked. I was equally as critical of Mayock, who lacked any semblance of a spine and should have never been made a GM to begin with. 

It's easy to point at coaches on gameday, because they're right there. But we've seen good coaches get fired because a highly regarded draft pick didn't work out, only to later find out the player just sucked. Coaches can't just create talented football players. I certainly won't pretend McCoy, Lynn, or Staley were brilliant head coaches, but it's just not all on them. Same with ownership. Owners meddle, yes. Jerry Jones, the moron in Carolina, etc. Spanos is cheap and meddlesome too, for sure. Given the results and where the Chargers ended up during the 2010s/2020s from where they were, it seems like Telesco also benefited from Spanos being hesitant to fire people- which I don't really buy into as they're not on HC #4 in, what, 6 years? 

Tom Telesco just didn't do that good of a job with the Chargers, imo. I think it takes a lot of creative writing to absolve him of blame for the clown show that franchise turned into, too much to handwave away with a "But the coach and owner". As with Mayock, my question becomes "Then why didn't Tom Telesco?". If he's that much of a pushover, I don't want him either. 

That's where we differ. I'm not cool with retread table scraps from poorly run franchises, he apparently is. And that's not a sleight. I've seen his opinions on HCs, and the inverse is largely true. I'm much more forgiving on the idea of "retread" HCs. 

[Justwinning]

1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said:

He's much more forgiving of front office personnel than I am. 

I won't sit here and say the Spanos family is the benchmark of quality ownership, but Tom Telesco's track record with FAs and the draft isn't very good. He got lucky a few times, such as with Herbert, and had a couple of no-brainer can't really screw up picks like Bosa, but overall LA has been garbage for a while, propped up by a couple decent players and guys from pre-Telesco days. 

Supposedly he built a talented roster and was held back by bad coaches the owner wouldn't fire. Problem is, they still look pretty bad with Jim Harbaugh coaching them. They have wins over us and Carolina and Denver- none of which say a lot. A truly talented roster, Harbaugh would have looking far better. He was fired for a reason, and after a decade, hard to say he was a scapegoat. 

We went through the same.last year when he jumped to Champ Kelly's defense. He downplayed, in my opinion, Kelly's roots with McDaniels and Brian Xanders, and made it out as though Kelly was just a paper pusher in his role.as Asst. GM of the Bears.

I'm not nearly as forgiving. I'm not swayed by sweet talk. Guys either have a track record of success, or they don't. Kelly didn't, and we're seeing the results of his stewardship. Zeigler didn't, and we've seen how it worked. I was equally as critical of Mayock, who lacked any semblance of a spine and should have never been made a GM to begin with. 

It's easy to point at coaches on gameday, because they're right there. But we've seen good coaches get fired because a highly regarded draft pick didn't work out, only to later find out the player just sucked. Coaches can't just create talented football players. I certainly won't pretend McCoy, Lynn, or Staley were brilliant head coaches, but it's just not all on them. Same with ownership. Owners meddle, yes. Jerry Jones, the moron in Carolina, etc. Spanos is cheap and meddlesome too, for sure. Given the results and where the Chargers ended up during the 2010s/2020s from where they were, it seems like Telesco also benefited from Spanos being hesitant to fire people- which I don't really buy into as they're not on HC #4 in, what, 6 years? 

Tom Telesco just didn't do that good of a job with the Chargers, imo. I think it takes a lot of creative writing to absolve him of blame for the clown show that franchise turned into, too much to handwave away with a "But the coach and owner". As with Mayock, my question becomes "Then why didn't Tom Telesco?". If he's that much of a pushover, I don't want him either. 

That's where we differ. I'm not cool with retread table scraps from poorly run franchises, he apparently is. And that's not a sleight. I've seen his opinions on HCs, and the inverse is largely true. I'm much more forgiving on the idea of "retread" HCs. 

Overall a good post, but this I can't agree with.

Herbert was not seen as a slam dunk and he didn't have to take him. He was still seen as a risky pick, but Telesco and his staff stuck to their evaluation and hit on the pick. This gives me hope that he can draft a quality QB since he's done it before.

[NYRaider]

7 hours ago, Chali21 said:

Andre James is one of the worst Grudock decisions that’s still on this roster. Replacing Rodney Hudson with an undersized undrafted FA was a pretty poor idea. 

He must have compromising information about Mark Davis. Dude has survived with Grudock, JDMZ and Telesco

[RaiderX]

Now that Brady is part owner, he'll likely wanna clean house and dump out Pierce who helped the Giants beat him twice in the SB.

[NickButera]

12 minutes ago, RaiderX said:

Now that Brady is part owner, he'll likely wanna clean house and dump out Pierce who helped the Giants beat him twice in the SB.

This definitely give us an "out" as to giving us a different legitimate reason to out AP this year.

"New owner Brady want to give team fresh start using his knowledge and experience" 

sounds a lot better than ... 

"We're a dysfunctional franchise gutting another coach after another year"

[Geezy]

I think Brady legitimizes us a bit, as hard as that is to say. I think it’s easier to sell the job to a Ben Johnson type when you got Brady in the room now. 

[bucksavage1]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

He must have compromising information about Mark Davis. Dude has survived with Grudock, JDMZ and Telesco

The way Telesco went out and panicked re-signed him was strange .

No QB can perform when your center gets pushed back constantly 

 

 

 

 

[ronjon1990]

3 hours ago, Justwinning said:

Overall a good post, but this I can't agree with.

Herbert was not seen as a slam dunk and he didn't have to take him. He was still seen as a risky pick, but Telesco and his staff stuck to their evaluation and hit on the pick. This gives me hope that he can draft a quality QB since he's done it before.

There is no reality where Philip Rivers gets let go and Telesco skips on a QB that year and keeps his job. The Dolphins did Telesco  favor and took Tua- who Telesco is on record as saying he both preferred and wanted.