Week 14: MNF Packers @ Giants Leadup - Beware A Trap Game Or Surprise Fight

[vegas492]

1 hour ago, Laces Out said:

The Packers have been gifted playing against teams without an actual NFL caliber QB for a stunning amount of times this year... Hilariously enough they've lost more often than not against them. 

Isn't it nuts that we all saw it coming, too?

[deltarich87]

Youngest team in the NFL this season so you know there's gonna be peaks and valley's with their play week to week. It's on the coaching to pick them up and last night they were let down by their HC, DC, and ST coordinator.

[NFLGURU]

We've got a scarecrow safety in Savage.  Gotta get something better in the offseason.  Just a worthless football player.  

[Leader]

 

[Brit Pack]

The Giants are almost as bad as us at run defence, they give up 135 per game to our 141. Taking Reeds runs out of the equation we didn't really expose their lack of run defence. I  can't recall a game this season where the run has dominated, I don't think any of our guys have run for 100 yards yet this season, I could be wrong though 

[Leader]

 

[Leader]

The guy you all love to hate has good things to say about GB & Love.

 

[Leader]

 

[Brat&Beer]

MLF acknowledged DB's were playing too far off receivers on last drive. Would not address whether it was due to player decision or coaching decision.

[Norm]

Lol I called him Tommy Kaepernick too. Nice

[incognito_man]

4 minutes ago, Brat&Beer said:

MLF acknowledged DB's were playing too far off receivers on last drive. Would not address whether it was due to player decision or coaching decision.

It doesn't really matter IMO. If it happens more than once it lands on the DC ultimately. His responsibility for ensuring the players plays the defense he needs them to.

[Leader]

55 minutes ago, Norm said:

Lol I called him Tommy Kaepernick too. Nice

Hmmmm.....come to think of it, I've never seen you and Andy Herman at the same place....

[Brat&Beer]

PFF Best/Worse Players

Top 5 offense

1. RB Patrick Taylor: 77.9
2. TE Tucker Kraft: 76.4
3. RT Zach Tom: 72.2
4. LT Rasheed Walker: 67.7
5. RB A.J. Dillon: 66.1

Taylor rushed for times for 30 yards and two first downs, caught two passes for 22 yards and a first down and was the team’s highest graded pass-blocker overall. Kraft caught all four targets for 64 yards and three first downs and was excellent as a blocker in both phases. Tom allowed only two hurries and was the offensive line’s top graded run blocker. Walker gave up two pressures, including a sack, but was otherwise solid. Dillon turned 17 touches into 78 total yards and forced six total missed tackles.


Top 5 defense

1. DL Devonte Wyatt: 89.7
2. DL TJ Slaton: 86.9
3. OLB Lukas Van Ness: 72.1
4. LB Isaiah McDuffie: 68.3
5. CB Carrington Valentine: 66.3

Wyatt had a team-high five pressures (all hurries) and four stops against the run. Slaton produced two run stops and a pressure over 34 snaps. Van Ness got bullied on Saquon Barkley’s first touchdown run but also produced one pressure and one run stop. McDuffie had a stop and didn’t allow a catch in coverage but graded out poorly against the run. Valentine gave up four catches, including a touchdown, and had a penalty, but he also produced two stops and a fumble recovery.


Bottom 5 offense

1. TE Ben Sims: 52.4
2. C Josh Myers: 54.6
3. WR Romeo Doubs: 54.7
4. LG Elgton Jenkins: 55.3
5. WR Malik Heath: 55.8

Sims wasn’t targeted and received poor run-blocking grades over 10 snaps. Myers allowed a season-high five pressures including a sack. Doubs ran 39 routes but had just 32 receiving yards on seven targets. Jenkins allowed five pressures, including two quarterback hits, and had a false start. Heath caught 1-of-2 contested targets (on final two plays) over 10 routes and was below average as a blocker.


Bottom 5 defense


1. CB Keisean Nixon: 40.1
2. OLB Kingsley Enagbare: 40.9
3. CB Corey Ballentine: 46.1
4. DL Karl Brooks: 50.1
5. S Darnell Savage: 57.9

Nixon gave up four catches for a team-high 60 yards, including the back-breaking 32-yarder to Wan’Dale Robinson. He also missed a tackle. Enagbare had three hurries but graded very poorly against the run. Ballentine, an ex-Giant, allowed two catches, missed two tackles and was the defense’s lowest graded run defender. Brooks didn’t have a pressure over 13 pass-rush snaps and struggled against the run. Savage missed a team-high three tackles and was responsible for three completions.


Special teams

Rudy Ford and Anthony Johnson Jr. both committed 15-yard penalties on special teams. Ford recovered a fumble. The Packers didn’t have a tackle or miss on special teams. Anders Carlson connected on 3-of-4 field goals, with a long of 48 and a miss from 45. Daniel Whelan put 1-of-3 punts inside the 20-yard line but averaged under 40 yards per punt. Keisean Nixon fumbled away a punt return. Overall, this was the Packers’ second-lowest graded game on special teams.


Quarterback

Jordan Love: 58.6 Love finished with three “big-time throws” and two “turnover-worthy plays.” He hit on just 1-of-5 passes thrown over 20 yards and 3-of-10 passes thrown over 10 yards, averaged just 2.3 yards per attempt under pressure (14 of 41 dropbacks) and received a poor run grade after losing a fumble. Love had seven completions thrown behind the line of scrimmage gaining only five yards. Monday night was Love’s second-lowest grade of the 2023 season.

[Mazrimiv]

7 minutes ago, Brat&Beer said:

PFF Best/Worse Players

Top 5 offense

1. RB Patrick Taylor: 77.9
2. TE Tucker Kraft: 76.4
3. RT Zach Tom: 72.2
4. LT Rasheed Walker: 67.7
5. RB A.J. Dillon: 66.1

Taylor rushed for times for 30 yards and two first downs, caught two passes for 22 yards and a first down and was the team’s highest graded pass-blocker overall. Kraft caught all four targets for 64 yards and three first downs and was excellent as a blocker in both phases. Tom allowed only two hurries and was the offensive line’s top graded run blocker. Walker gave up two pressures, including a sack, but was otherwise solid. Dillon turned 17 touches into 78 total yards and forced six total missed tackles.


Top 5 defense

1. DL Devonte Wyatt: 89.7
2. DL TJ Slaton: 86.9
3. OLB Lukas Van Ness: 72.1
4. LB Isaiah McDuffie: 68.3
5. CB Carrington Valentine: 66.3

Wyatt had a team-high five pressures (all hurries) and four stops against the run. Slaton produced two run stops and a pressure over 34 snaps. Van Ness got bullied on Saquon Barkley’s first touchdown run but also produced one pressure and one run stop. McDuffie had a stop and didn’t allow a catch in coverage but graded out poorly against the run. Valentine gave up four catches, including a touchdown, and had a penalty, but he also produced two stops and a fumble recovery.


Bottom 5 offense

1. TE Ben Sims: 52.4
2. C Josh Myers: 54.6
3. WR Romeo Doubs: 54.7
4. LG Elgton Jenkins: 55.3
5. WR Malik Heath: 55.8

Sims wasn’t targeted and received poor run-blocking grades over 10 snaps. Myers allowed a season-high five pressures including a sack. Doubs ran 39 routes but had just 32 receiving yards on seven targets. Jenkins allowed five pressures, including two quarterback hits, and had a false start. Heath caught 1-of-2 contested targets (on final two plays) over 10 routes and was below average as a blocker.


Bottom 5 defense


1. CB Keisean Nixon: 40.1
2. OLB Kingsley Enagbare: 40.9
3. CB Corey Ballentine: 46.1
4. DL Karl Brooks: 50.1
5. S Darnell Savage: 57.9

Nixon gave up four catches for a team-high 60 yards, including the back-breaking 32-yarder to Wan’Dale Robinson. He also missed a tackle. Enagbare had three hurries but graded very poorly against the run. Ballentine, an ex-Giant, allowed two catches, missed two tackles and was the defense’s lowest graded run defender. Brooks didn’t have a pressure over 13 pass-rush snaps and struggled against the run. Savage missed a team-high three tackles and was responsible for three completions.


Special teams

Rudy Ford and Anthony Johnson Jr. both committed 15-yard penalties on special teams. Ford recovered a fumble. The Packers didn’t have a tackle or miss on special teams. Anders Carlson connected on 3-of-4 field goals, with a long of 48 and a miss from 45. Daniel Whelan put 1-of-3 punts inside the 20-yard line but averaged under 40 yards per punt. Keisean Nixon fumbled away a punt return. Overall, this was the Packers’ second-lowest graded game on special teams.


Quarterback

Jordan Love: 58.6 Love finished with three “big-time throws” and two “turnover-worthy plays.” He hit on just 1-of-5 passes thrown over 20 yards and 3-of-10 passes thrown over 10 yards, averaged just 2.3 yards per attempt under pressure (14 of 41 dropbacks) and received a poor run grade after losing a fumble. Love had seven completions thrown behind the line of scrimmage gaining only five yards. Monday night was Love’s second-lowest grade of the 2023 season.

Loose translation: Everyone sucked.

[LLcheesehead12]

My Monday takeaways are definitely the following, which while the defense gets most of the shellacking, they aren't alone.  Anyway ...

 

1.  Offense had its responsibility for this too.  Now I am 100% behind Jordan Love and will be going forward for better or for worse.  He and guys like Tucker Kraft and Malik Heath have come a long way and it's not easy when you're missing guys like Jones, Musgrave and Watson coming in and then lose Wicks during the course of the game.  BUT, as good as Love's become, he's still got plenty of room for improvement as we saw last night.

Offense may be starting to do better getting complete games put together as we saw against DET and KC, but they're still figuring it out and gotta do it more consistently.  Missed big opportunities with Love's fumble, interception and settling for 2 FGs and missing another when TDs could have really given us a big lead and meant the game wouldn't come down to the final possessions.

2.  This loss was mostly player oriented, and guys like Nixon and Ford among others just made bone headed plays that can't be fixed even by good coaching.  The fear coming into this game was the team getting overconfident after beating 2 good teams in a row, and I definitely think that happened and we just failed the first test of handling our newfound winning success.  Big learning experience hopefully came out of this.

3. Having now addressed the players, we can all agree on the biggest takeaway.  Joe Barry and Rich Bisaccia must be thrown out the door the instant this season is over.  Barry learned absolute zero from the loss against these guys last year, and proved it by making no adjustments period during this game.  And man, Rich Bisaccia and yet again one of the most inept special teams units I ever seen on that field.  We got a real disease in that dept and yet again we got to eradicate it.

 

Overall, it's too late to tank for anything high in the draft and we still got a chance to win out and be in, so I say let's go for it, and next year we got a chance to have a very good team.  But we cannot allow Barry and Bisaccia to be back within our hallowed grounds come next year period.