Captain Relax Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 The rise of McCarthy in a lot of mock drafts reminds me of how the Fed used to talk about the economy prior to the housing market collapse in 2008. The Fed recognized the economy was driven by "irrational exuberance." Then the bubble burst. I am NOT predicting McCarthy will bust. However, we need to remember that he has not been in a quarterback driven offense at Michigan...which is what the O'Connell offense requires. I am NOT saying McCarthy can't be that quarterback. I am saying there's not as much evidence for success or failure at the pro level that most other QB's in this class have. And, there is no way to determine a likelihood of success or failure before the draft. The combine might indicate things like throwing mechanics and ability to hit his initial read. But the combine does not replicate game conditions. I am not expecting any great insight on McCarthy by what he does or doesn't do in Indianapolis. At this point, I don't have an opinion on whether or not the Vikings should draft McCarthy. I just don't know what to think about him, and that bothers me. I will trust that KAM will have it figured out by draft weekend. Otherwise, the rising of McCarthy in the mocks feels like "irrational exuberance." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I think fans need to realize that these “rises” aren’t teams just learning about a player. It’s the media and draft analysts becoming more aware of how NFL teams/scouts think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: I think fans need to realize that these “rises” aren’t teams just learning about a player. It’s the media and draft analysts becoming more aware of how NFL teams/scouts think. and not just the rises either, but the drops. i guess you can't have one without the other.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 15 hours ago, wcblack34 said: I would haaaaaaate that. Unless he wins us a Super Bowl. But until then, I would haaaaaaaate that. That's a HEFTY price for any team to pay. And he's got to be more than an above-average QB. I'd argue that the QB you trade up needs to have a realistic "floor" of something like Kirk Cousins. A guy who pushes that elite tier but consistency doesn't quite keep him there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 hours ago, SemperFeist said: I think fans need to realize that these “rises” aren’t teams just learning about a player. It’s the media and draft analysts becoming more aware of how NFL teams/scouts think. Oftentimes the media and draft analysis get it wrong though and and the player falls anyways. But sometimes they get it right like Richardson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) Quote With the start of the NFL Scouting Combine just around the corner, here's my second projection of the year for Round 1 of the 2024 NFL Draft. Pick 11 Minnesota Vikings Dallas Turner Alabama · Edge · Junior I wouldn’t rule out the Vikings drafting a quarterback early, but I’m not sure they’ll have the ammunition to trade up for one. With Danielle Hunter heading for free agency, they address the need for pass-rush help. https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2024-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-four-quarterbacks-selected-in-first-eight-picks In this instance, 4 QBs are taken before the Vikings' pick, so they have no option other than to go defense. Edited February 20 by swede700 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 If it’s not a QB, Dallas Turner is #1 on my want list. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 46 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: If it’s not a QB, Dallas Turner is #1 on my want list. Agreed, and that's after signing an edge and DT in FA (hopefully). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Would be a historic draft if the first defender is drafted at #11 overall. I have to imagine there will be a "surprise" pick of a defender come April. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 For discussion purposes, if your choice was; A.) Re-sign Cousins and draft Dallas Turner at 11 or B.) Re-sign Hunter and draft JJ McCarthy at 11 Which would people prefer? *let’s assume Jefferson signs his extension in either scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: For discussion purposes, if your choice was; A.) Re-sign Cousins and draft Dallas Turner at 11 or B.) Re-sign Hunter and draft JJ McCarthy at 11 Which would people prefer? *let’s assume Jefferson signs his extension in either scenario. If McCarthy had ever carried his team with his arm, I'd know the answer, but I don't know.....Likely B because Cousins only has a year or two left, and you might as well roll the die on McCarthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 15 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: For discussion purposes, if your choice was; A.) Re-sign Cousins and draft Dallas Turner at 11 or B.) Re-sign Hunter and draft JJ McCarthy at 11 Which would people prefer? *let’s assume Jefferson signs his extension in either scenario. B. i think Hunter has more immediate one man value to the team that Cousins does. and at significantly less price, which really means it's Hunter AND another player versus just Cousins. but yes, qb's have great value by themselves. i'm not convinced today's Cousins will be 2023 Cousins immediately for us, where i think Hunter would be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshpit23 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, SemperFeist said: For discussion purposes, if your choice was; A.) Re-sign Cousins and draft Dallas Turner at 11 or B.) Re-sign Hunter and draft JJ McCarthy at 11 Which would people prefer? *let’s assume Jefferson signs his extension in either scenario. B all day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 5 hours ago, SemperFeist said: For discussion purposes, if your choice was; A.) Re-sign Cousins and draft Dallas Turner at 11 or B.) Re-sign Hunter and draft JJ McCarthy at 11 Which would people prefer? *let’s assume Jefferson signs his extension in either scenario. Hunter + McCarthy #11 * with JJ extension or JJ trade or no JJ extension 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 19 hours ago, SemperFeist said: For discussion purposes, if your choice was; A.) Re-sign Cousins and draft Dallas Turner at 11 or B.) Re-sign Hunter and draft JJ McCarthy at 11 Which would people prefer? *let’s assume Jefferson signs his extension in either scenario. I think that may be harder than what people may think, but I agree with the others that you'd have to go with B, because they'd probably be saving in the neighborhood of $15M on the cap, which can be used on other players to improve the defensive talent...and also potentially in an extension for Darrisaw, who will be eligible for an extension next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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