coachbuns Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Brit Pack said: Just to be clear, for any people who think the defence didn't do enough in this game. The defence gave the ball back enough to the offence to win this game. San Fran had 9 drives, 4 ended up in punts. 1 drive resulted in a miss field goal, 1 drive that San Fran scored a field goal was after Love's interception and they only gained 14 yards before kicking. The defence held up their side of the bargain. When it mattered most .. the end of the game like numerous ones throughout the year .. Barry's defense couldn't stop them from scoring to win the game. They gave up 24 points .. 24 points. He's a nice, average at very best, soft zone, non aggressive, bend but don't break D coordinator. His defenses the past few years haven't been even close in the top half of the league. For this team to move on, they need to move on to somebody else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turf toe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 hours ago, HighCalebR said: Valentine was in a spot for a pick 6 if Nixon doesnt tip it away. thats tough, then we throw a pick of our own off that. oof. That one stings. If we keep Barry we have to shoot the "blitz Nixon from the moon" right back to where it came from. The niners arent doing 7 step drops, when would that ever have a shot? Nixon also does not have a feel for the snap, just to exacerbate that issue. I think it'd be a mistake to cut Savage loose. right, Savage didn't do anything, lol 10 games 1 PD and 50 tackles, thats not quite doing it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turf toe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Brit Pack said: Just to be clear, for any people who think the defence didn't do enough in this game. The defence gave the ball back enough to the offence to win this game. San Fran had 9 drives, 4 ended up in punts. 1 drive resulted in a miss field goal, 1 drive that San Fran scored a field goal was after Love's interception and they only gained 14 yards before kicking. The defence held up their side of the bargain. the problem is that when the game is on the line, Barry calls 4 man pass rush and soft cushion zone, the pass rush isn't able to force the QB to hurry his reads and our coverage can't support the weaker pass rush, does no good to play aggressive for 55 minutes, then lighten up the last 5, we need a defense that can support the offense thats not having a great game, as well as the other way around. did anyone watch the Lions, they blitz there CB's andit works because those CB are lined up face to face pre snap on the receiver, versus us lining them up like a edge rusher in the 9 holes, every thing Barry does comes with a tell, so obvious, thats why our stunts and blitzes fail so often. be hard for me to respect Lafleur if he keeps Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 hours ago, hitnhope said: Did you honestly doubt for a second that we would give up a TD on that drive? It was as sure as death and taxes. Failing to see that this was just a microcosm of Joe Barry as a DC is part of the problem. MLF has had the same issue now for over a year. I said it in real time on the GDT: Christ....we're gonna lose this game. And sure enough.....we did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Pack Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, coachbuns said: When it mattered most .. the end of the game like numerous ones throughout the year .. Barry's defense couldn't stop them from scoring to win the game. They gave up 24 points .. 24 points. He's a nice, average at very best, soft zone, non aggressive, bend but don't break D coordinator. His defenses the past few years haven't been even close in the top half of the league. For this team to move on, they need to move on to somebody else. This is the pivotal, momentum-shifting, moment in the game, when it mattered most, not the Niners final drive!!!! We should never have got to that stage in the first place!!!! The game was there to be had. 21 - 14 Packers heading towards the end of the 3rd quarter, we have just had the long kickoff return by Nixon with the fumble recovery and we scored a TD. Next series what does Barry's defence do? They force a 3 and out and a punt!!!! We are up 21 - 14 with the ball back to make it a two score game. What does the offence do, throw a pick!!! Again the defence holds the Niners to 14 yards and they get a FG. This is totally clutch play by the defence. They have just saved the team. The Packers get the ball back, score is 21 - 17, again another chance to make it a two score game if we can get a TD, what does the Packers offence do, go 3 and out and a punt!!! The defence comes back on the pitch and what do they do again, force a punt!!!! The offence has a chance again to make at least a 7 point lead with a FG or a two score lead with a TD, Jones has half his yardage on one play and we are at 24 yard line and all we do is gain 1 yard and then a missed FG. How the hell is any of this on the defence???? You want to pick on the final Niners drive that we didn't stop them but the Packers defence has given the Packers offence opportunities to put this game to bed and they failed. Simple as. That's the major failure we should be talking about not the final drive!!!! The final drive failure should never have been in the equation! The defence has given the opportunity again and again for the offence to finish the job and they didn't. But we want to pin it all on the final drive!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Brit Pack said: This is the pivotal, momentum-shifting, moment in the game, when it mattered most, not the Niners final drive!!!! We should never have got to that stage in the first place!!!! The game was there to be had. 21 - 14 Packers heading towards the end of the 3rd quarter, we have just had the long kickoff return by Nixon with the fumble recovery and we scored a TD. Next series what does Barry's defence do? They force a 3 and out and a punt!!!! We are up 21 - 14 with the ball back to make it a two score game. What does the offence do, throw a pick!!! Again the defence holds the Niners to 14 yards and they get a FG. How the hell is any of this on the defence???? You want to pick on the final Niners drive that we didn't stop them but the Packers defence has given the Packers offence opportunities to put this game to bed and they failed. Simple as. That's the major failure we should be talking about not the final drive!!!! The final drive failure should never have been in the equation! The defence has given the opportunity again and again for the offence to finish the job and they didn't. But we want to pin it all on the final drive!!!! When is the defense going to step up and win us a tight game like that in the playoffs? As you noted, that is exactly what the SF defense did in the 4th qtr. They ramped up the pressure. They forced a couple turnovers. In a game like we just experienced you can look at both sides of the ball and if something changed, we win the game. The simple fact in GB is that if the offense doesn't go out and flat win the game then the Packers lose. We also went from playing very aggressively in the first 3 qtrs to playing passive on the last drive. Again. We've all seen this play out multiple times before. We all knew that SF would get a TD on that drive because that is what Barry does. His DL were so tired on the last drive they were struggling to move at the end of the drive. Not only did Barry fail to stop them when it mattered most, he played the defense SF would pray for to allow them to burn clock and put little pressure on their QB to make a play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, Brit Pack said: The defence has given the opportunity again and again for the offence to finish the job and they didn't. But we want to pin it all on the final drive!!!! or they could have just stopped them three times, or caught one of the two gifts that Purdy gave them. It's obviously not all on the defense here, but they were as much a part of the loss as the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Pack Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, hitnhope said: When is the defense going to step up and win us a tight game like that in the playoffs? As you noted, that is exactly what the SF defense did in the 4th qtr. They ramped up the pressure. They forced a couple turnovers. In a game like we just experienced you can look at both sides of the ball and if something changed, we win the game. The simple fact in GB is that if the offense doesn't go out and flat win the game then the Packers lose. We also went from playing very aggressively in the first 3 qtrs to playing passive on the last drive. Again. We've all seen this play out multiple times before. We all knew that SF would get a TD on that drive because that is what Barry does. His DL were so tired on the last drive they were struggling to move at the end of the drive. Not only did Barry fail to stop them when it mattered most, he played the defense SF would pray for to allow them to burn clock and put little pressure on their QB to make a play. But the Packers defence gave the offence 3 chances to put the game away and they failed to do so! That is much more an issue. You feel it is a realistic expectation to stop 4 consecutive drives from scoring a TD?! We should have answered at least once. We had broken serve with the opportunity to kill the game and we didn't capitalise, that is where the game was lost. Until that final drive the Packers were holding the Niners to 17 points, 3 points of which coming off a pick!!! The Niners were held more than in check, they have never been held to 17 points in a game in the 2023 season. They average 28.9 points per game!!!! Everything up to that final drive Barry did spot on and it needed the offence to finish it off, a win that was handed to the offence on a plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turf toe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, Brit Pack said: But the Packers defence gave the offence 3 chances to put the game away and they failed to do so! That is much more an issue. You feel it is a realistic expectation to stop 4 consecutive drives from scoring a TD?! We should have answered at least once. We had broken serve with the opportunity to kill the game and we didn't capitalise, that is where the game was lost. Until that final drive the Packers were holding the Niners to 17 points, 3 points of which coming off a pick!!! The Niners were held more than in check, they have never been held to 17 points in a game in the 2023 season. They average 28.9 points per game!!!! Everything up to that final drive Barry did spot on and it needed the offence to finish it off, a win that was handed to the offence on a plate. Barry opts for coverage when better pass rush would support our weak secondary, does it all the time, the only reason we won the last 5 games is our young offense always held a lead, I understand the temptation to go deep shell coverage, problem to often ya have a lite front, can't stop the run, and can't force the QB into hurried throws, very rare for any coverage scheme to support average pass rush, specially against a team that has time to take the short stuff, pass rush wins these type of games, prevent is old school football, just go look at all the other Fangio derivatives, they bleed yardage and points to end games too jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, turf toe said: Barry opts for coverage when better pass rush would support our weak secondary Purdy and SF shredded the blitz all year. No DC found success that way. Needed to get pressure with 4 and splash in the occasional clever blitz. We simply weren't generating enough pressure with 4. We needed bigger games from our EDGE group and they did not come close to delivering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Guys, this was one game. The large sample size says we're the 27th ranked defense this year. Take out the Brett Rypien disaster I imagine we go to 29-30th. Who cares about the one game? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Guys, this was one game. The large sample size says we're the 27th ranked defense this year. Take out the Brett Rypien disaster I imagine we go to 29-30th. Who cares about the one game? DCs getting interviewed fast & furious around the league. The "Packer Way" is to delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilltray Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I find it unbelievable that people seem to be looking for people to "blame". The team played better than they had any right to taking the 49ers down to the very wire. They left some plays on the field in all phases, to be sure, but clearing up the cap dead weight of Rodgers and Bakhtiari, plus adding 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, to this young roster just had me excited. I also think you'd have seen a much better game for both teams without the rain. That kind of leveled the playing field on every snap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Guys, this was one game. The large sample size says we're the 27th ranked defense this year. Take out the Brett Rypien disaster I imagine we go to 29-30th. Who cares about the one game? Barry has a 3 game postseason sample size. That's equivalent significance of a full slate of regular season games. Barry's defense has been bad too often in regular season but has been pretty damn good/great in postseason. Let's all agree on the facts and then discuss what they mean. Obviously regular season play impacts post season changes. So it's important. It needs to be better. But it can't be better at the expense of worse playoff performance. Edited January 23 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Let's all agree on the facts and then discuss what they mean. They mean it's time Barry goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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