Humble_Beast Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Justwinning said: I agree with Getsy being awful, but Telesco was not bad at all. I’m underwhelmed by that hire too, but he put talent on the Chargers roster. He just couldn’t get the right HC in place. Im mostly disagreeing with you about the rest of your post. The Raiders casted a wide net of respectable candidates for OC and GM. I think they absolutely should have been more diligent with their HC search, but AP was their guy and rightfully so. I agree with that but I feel like they could have interviewed more young OC. Seem like Pierce wanted to surround himself with experience 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Justwinning said: I agree with Getsy being awful, but Telesco was not bad at all. I’m underwhelmed by that hire too, but he put talent on the Chargers roster. He just couldn’t get the right HC in place. Im mostly disagreeing with you about the rest of your post. The Raiders casted a wide net of respectable candidates for OC and GM. I think they absolutely should have been more diligent with their HC search, but AP was their guy and rightfully so. The chargers won nothing with him leading the ship despite having a franchise QB to build around the entire time he was there. The Chargers didn’t fire him because he’s amazing. Rightfully so to the point they settled for a mediocre OC and GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: I agree with that but I feel like they could have interviewed more young OC. Seem like Pierce wanted to surround himself with experience Experience having a load of talent and failing to capitalize on it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 54 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Experience having a load of talent and failing to capitalize on it? Yes, Pierce is going flop. I'm not excited. Mark didn't want to pay up for a good head coach. Hired a staff that is happy to be there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 The more time that goes on I’m glad we do not have Kingsbury. Dude accepts jobs and then backs out. Did that with USC before taking Cardinals job Flamed out at Texas Tech despite having Mahomes and Mayfield at QB Flamed out Arizona to the point they were bottom of the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, bucksavage1 said: The more time that goes on I’m glad we do not have Kingsbury. Dude accepts jobs and then backs out. Did that with USC before taking Cardinals job Flamed out at Texas Tech despite having Mahomes and Mayfield at QB Flamed out Arizona to the point they were bottom of the league I think you could've done well here provided that we get the exact type of quarterback that he needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Mark didnt wanna pay Edited February 5 by Jeremy408 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersForever Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 52 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Mark didnt wanna pay After two coaching fiascos in a row, I can understand if Mark has trust issues lol. Just can't allow the pendulum to swing too far in the other direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 4 hours ago, RaidersForever said: After two coaching fiascos in a row, I can understand if Mark has trust issues lol. Just can't allow the pendulum to swing too far in the other direction. Yea but thats his fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Apparently it was an extremely “insulting” offer according to a lot of guys now. I don’t blame Kliff here. The Raiders likely totally lowballed him, we are a dysfunctional organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/4/2024 at 11:35 AM, Humble_Beast said: Yes, Pierce is going flop. I'm not excited. Mark didn't want to pay up for a good head coach. Hired a staff that is happy to be there It’s not that Mark didn’t wanna pay, it’s that he’s an idiot and likely believes in AP like delusional casual fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 8 hours ago, Tank4Drake said: It’s not that Mark didn’t wanna pay, it’s that he’s an idiot and likely believes in AP like delusional casual fans. I think he could believe, and Pierce on a short leash. Which is why Mark didn’t want to give Kliff 3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I actually don't hate the short contracts for this current group because they're pretty much on a "prove it" territory for the next couple of years, which makes sense given the HC's lack of experience. And it also makes no sense to give Kingsbury more time or money than the rest of the staff, so if he wanted to be on a better deal than his boss AP, then I totally see why talks broke down between him and the team. If Pierce & co ball out, they'll get an extension at more of the going rate for established Head Coaches, and if not then the Raiders aren't sitting paying them forever like has happened with Gruden or McDaniels. This isn't an endorsement of Mark Davis, btw. The fact that we're even in this current situation is because he's proven that he's terrible at hiring HCs and giving them appropriate contracts. But at least this time he's being relatively pragmatic about it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/5/2024 at 2:11 PM, Jeremy408 said: Mark didnt wanna pay Sounds like he wants to be able to pivot off of AP ASAP if we don't see immediate success 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Even if the third year was offered, what guarantee is there he doesn't bolt after year 1 or 2?.....none. I'm not thrilled with getsy, but there's nothing I can personally do. Btw, most of the "hot" OCs didn't go anywhere. And Kubiak isn't a dummy, chances are he's NOLAs HC in 2025. So there's that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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