How does the AFC North shake out in 2024?

[DawgX]

But I'm not surprised. This is the same dude who called dudes who clearly hate Watson, like @NudeTayne, *ape apologists. @Daniel's takes just suck.

[Daniel]

51 minutes ago, DawgX said:

But I'm not surprised. This is the same dude who called dudes who clearly hate Watson, like @NudeTayne, *ape apologists. @Daniel's takes just suck.

Die mad.

[NudeTayne]

On 5/22/2024 at 3:27 PM, Ray Reed said:

That said it’s the ‘vens and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it

😢

 

 

 

Source: also Kevin James

1 hour ago, DawgX said:

But I'm not surprised. This is the same dude who called dudes who clearly hate Watson, like @NudeTayne, carp apologists. @Daniel's takes just suck.

Whoa whoa whoa hey now

15 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Damied

It's almost the same spelling and everything. What is happening to the divine brotherhood? Are we no better than 'vens or 'lers? 🥺

[DawgX]

10 hours ago, Daniel said:

Die mad.

Am I wrong? 😘

[notthatbluestuff]

The thread is ruined, thank you guys.

[diamondbull424]

13 hours ago, mtmmike said:

Considering burrows is on a hof career

and dushbag is a last place qb sense he got here.

question how many qbs with a 90 rating with his team beat hof QBs?

read my lips Stefanski has not won 1 playoff game sense Mayfield left how is he Superior?

while the bengals coach is the only coach to beat kc

Last time I checked Stefanski is tied for last place in the AFC north sense dushbag arrived

question what is dushbags rating before Cleveland and with Cleveland?

HOF career? Not to discredit Joe Burrow because he’s a talented player, but this is absurd.

Joe Burrow has exactly 1 PB team at 27 years old and 1 CB player. He has 0 1st team AP teams, has 0 MVPs, and has 0 SB rings.

Meanwhile Deshaun Watson at 28 has at least got 3 pro bowl teams to his credit. Has a career passer rating of 100.8 and career ANY/A of 6.89 vs Burrow’s career 98.6 and career ANY/A of 6.52.

Throw in Lamar Jackson who at a younger 27 than Burrow has 2x MVP, 2x AP 1st team, 3x PB, has a career passer rating of 98.0, and career ANY/A of 6.80.

Throw in Russell Wilson who at 35 years old is a 9x PB, 1 SB champ, 1x Walter Payton MOY, has a career passer rating of 100.0 and a career ANY/A of also 6.80.

Based on the HOF resume, Joe Burrow has the worst resume of any starting QB in his division currently.

Beyond that, not to defend Watson the human, but the football player hasn’t had the most normal offseasons the last few years to focus on his football craft. That and Watson was playing injured at points last year and IIRC through their offseason. This is the closest Stefanski will have had to work with his QB from a health and distraction standpoint.

Considering both have question marks surrounding them with Burrow’s wrist injury and how it might react to the NFL physicality and Watson’s off the field issues, I like Watson’s chances of outperforming Burrow in 2024.

[DawgX]

44 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said:

HOF career? Not to discredit Joe Burrow because he’s a talented player, but this is absurd.

Joe Burrow has exactly 1 PB team at 27 years old and 1 CB player. He has 0 1st team AP teams, has 0 MVPs, and has 0 SB rings.

Meanwhile Deshaun Watson at 28 has at least got 3 pro bowl teams to his credit. Has a career passer rating of 100.8 and career ANY/A of 6.89 vs Burrow’s career 98.6 and career ANY/A of 6.52.

Throw in Lamar Jackson who at a younger 27 than Burrow has 2x MVP, 2x AP 1st team, 3x PB, has a career passer rating of 98.0, and career ANY/A of 6.80.

Throw in Russell Wilson who at 35 years old is a 9x PB, 1 SB champ, 1x Walter Payton MOY, has a career passer rating of 100.0 and a career ANY/A of also 6.80.

Based on the HOF resume, Joe Burrow has the worst resume of any starting QB in his division currently.

Beyond that, not to defend Watson the human, but the football player hasn’t had the most normal offseasons the last few years to focus on his football craft. That and Watson was playing injured at points last year and IIRC through their offseason. This is the closest Stefanski will have had to work with his QB from a health and distraction standpoint.

Considering both have question marks surrounding them with Burrow’s wrist injury and how it might react to the NFL physicality and Watson’s off the field issues, I like Watson’s chances of outperforming Burrow in 2024.

RIP @diamondbull424. He doesn't know Mike's fury.

[mtmmike]

57 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said:

HOF career? Not to discredit Joe Burrow because he’s a talented player, but this is absurd.

Joe Burrow has exactly 1 PB team at 27 years old and 1 CB player. He has 0 1st team AP teams, has 0 MVPs, and has 0 SB rings.

Meanwhile Deshaun Watson at 28 has at least got 3 pro bowl teams to his credit. Has a career passer rating of 100.8 and career ANY/A of 6.89 vs Burrow’s career 98.6 and career ANY/A of 6.52.

Throw in Lamar Jackson who at a younger 27 than Burrow has 2x MVP, 2x AP 1st team, 3x PB, has a career passer rating of 98.0, and career ANY/A of 6.80.

Throw in Russell Wilson who at 35 years old is a 9x PB, 1 SB champ, 1x Walter Payton MOY, has a career passer rating of 100.0 and a career ANY/A of also 6.80.

Based on the HOF resume, Joe Burrow has the worst resume of any starting QB in his division currently.

Beyond that, not to defend Watson the human, but the football player hasn’t had the most normal offseasons the last few years to focus on his football craft. That and Watson was playing injured at points last year and IIRC through their offseason. This is the closest Stefanski will have had to work with his QB from a health and distraction standpoint.

Considering both have question marks surrounding them with Burrow’s wrist injury and how it might react to the NFL physicality and Watson’s off the field issues, I like Watson’s chances of outperforming Burrow in 2024.

Ok your saying nobody would trade there qb straight up for burrow’s?

yes or no I am a simple country boy with fat fingers.

[mtmmike]

14 minutes ago, DawgX said:

RIP @diamondbull424. He doesn't know Mike's fury.

Your in good voice would you trade Russel Wilson straight up for Burrows if you are the Steelers Gms

[Armbar]

2 hours ago, mtmmike said:

Your in good voice would you trade Russel Wilson straight up for Burrows if you are the Steelers Gms

Nough. Wilson one a Super Boll. What has loser dush Burroughs ever one?

[mtmmike]

2 minutes ago, Armbar said:

Nough. Wilson one a Super Boll. What has loser dush Burroughs ever one?

Nice your in good voice looking forward to revisiting this topic.

[diamondbull424]

13 hours ago, mtmmike said:

Ok your saying nobody would trade there qb straight up for burrow’s?

yes or no I am a simple country boy with fat fingers.

Not relevant to the thread question regarding the AFCN nor relevant to your claim that Joe Burrow was on a HOF pace.

But no, I would not trade Lamar Jackson for Joe Burrow. Can’t speak for other teams.

On 5/24/2024 at 8:58 PM, mtmmike said:

and dushbag is a last place qb sense he got here.

On 5/24/2024 at 8:58 PM, mtmmike said:

Last time I checked Stefanski is tied for last place in the AFC north sense dushbag arrived

Browns finished second place last year, Bengals finished in last place. Watson hasn’t been great, yet his QB record with the Browns has been 8-4 (66.7 win%) Burrow’s QB record the last two seasons has been 17-9 (65.4 win%).

Browns have the better team and that’s allowed Watson playing some of the worst football of his career the past two seasons to still win at a higher clip. So with a similarly better team in 2024, if Watson takes a step forward, the Browns are certainly the more dangerous team between the two.

Edited May 26 by diamondbull424

[Dr A W Niloc]

= PFF Totals, DVOAs, Use Frequencies, Positionals, Draft Capital & Grades =

AFCN  Ovr Off Def | 2023 D V O A | Frequencies Off | Ease of Schedule  Draft 
2024  all         | DVOA-Def-Off | QB RB WR TE EoS | QB RB WR TE Team  Cp Gr
      *** ****    |              |                 |
Clev  7th  19 5th |  8th  10  28 |  2  9 15  5  15 | 32 11  9 10 32nd  32 C+
Balt   11  27 3rd |  1st 5th 4th | 30 17 22 19  14 | 11 15 20 27 31st  23 A-
Pitt   24  26  24 |  9th  13  15 | 26  6 25 27  11 | 24  6 27 19 30th  16 A+
Cinc   26  23  23 | 11th 6th  11 |  7 31  2 17  21 | 27  8 30 32 15th   9 B+

      The static numbers suggest a two-team race between Cleveland and Baltimore with a gross disparity in defensive talent separating them from the Steelers/Bengals.  Good AFC teams are not as schedule sensitive as their NFC counterparts, so we don't sweat the tough dance cards.

      Because it was so laden with offensive talent and lacking in defense, the 2024 draft should have more impact than any other recent one, especially in scoring and fantasy football.  Cleveland had nothing in terms of cap space and managed nothing.  Cinci did little with the most.  Baltimore hit a solid double but the Steelers hammered a grand slam;  their first six picks glowed in the dark.  In a close, well-coached division I'll go with the momentum:  having drafted more starters than the rest of the division combined, Pittsburgh should win the AFC-North with the other three claiming two of the wild cards.

 

 

[Trentwannabe]

I’ll say the Bengals right now.

But wouldn’t really be surprised to see any team win or any team finish 4th

[sparky151]

15 hours ago, Dr A W Niloc said:

= PFF Totals, DVOAs, Use Frequencies, Positionals, Draft Capital & Grades =

AFCN  Ovr Off Def | 2023 D V O A | Frequencies Off | Ease of Schedule  Draft 
2024  all         | DVOA-Def-Off | QB RB WR TE EoS | QB RB WR TE Team  Cp Gr
      *** ****    |              |                 |
Clev  7th  19 5th |  8th  10  28 |  2  9 15  5  15 | 32 11  9 10 32nd  32 C+
Balt   11  27 3rd |  1st 5th 4th | 30 17 22 19  14 | 11 15 20 27 31st  23 A-
Pitt   24  26  24 |  9th  13  15 | 26  6 25 27  11 | 24  6 27 19 30th  16 A+
Cinc   26  23  23 | 11th 6th  11 |  7 31  2 17  21 | 27  8 30 32 15th   9 B+

      The static numbers suggest a two-team race between Cleveland and Baltimore with a gross disparity in defensive talent separating them from the Steelers/Bengals.  Good AFC teams are not as schedule sensitive as their NFC counterparts, so we don't sweat the tough dance cards.

      Because it was so laden with offensive talent and lacking in defense, the 2024 draft should have more impact than any other recent one, especially in scoring and fantasy football.  Cleveland had nothing in terms of cap space and managed nothing.  Cinci did little with the most.  Baltimore hit a solid double but the Steelers hammered a grand slam;  their first six picks glowed in the dark.  In a close, well-coached division I'll go with the momentum:  having drafted more starters than the rest of the division combined, Pittsburgh should win the AFC-North with the other three claiming two of the wild cards.

 

 

Er, you're picking the Steelers because they will have the most rookies starting?