Mazrimiv Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Old Guy said: The benefit or making the playoffs is not worth the possibility that Joe Barry is brought back as a result of it. Not even for this young team. You can't have it both ways. Barry either sucks as a DC (he does) or he doesn't. Not wanting GB to make the playoffs because you are afraid that means Barry will be retained is silly. Edited December 22, 2023 by Mazrimiv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: You can't have it both ways. Barry either sucks as a DC (he does) or he doesn't. Not wanting GB to make the playoffs because you are afraid that means Barry will be retained is silly. Is it? It was obvious after last year that Barry had to go. He wasn't. a couple years ago it was obvious that GB had extreme special teams problems and action needed to happen. Status quo was maintained and special teams cost them the SB. MLF has proven far too accepting of coaching failures during his tenure. It isn't crazy to think it may continue based on previous history. We would all pick making the playoffs and Barry being relieved of his duties. I just don't trust MLF to make that happen based on past actions. Edited December 22, 2023 by hitnhope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, pgwingman said: I get that sentiment, but I still think a young team like this benefits from playoff experience. Even if (maybe even especially if) it's an embarrassing playoff loss. I get what you are saying too. I'd be all for the playoffs if we would play anybody but the freaking Cowboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcv Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, hitnhope said: Is it? It was obvious after last year that Barry had to go. He wasn't. a couple years ago it was obvious that GB had extreme special teams problems and action needed to happen. Status quo was maintained and special teams cost them the SB. MLF has proven far to accepting of coaching failures during his tenure. It isn't crazy to think it may continue based on previous history. We would all pick making the playoffs and Barry being relieved of his duties. I just don't trust MLF to make that happen based on past actions. If we can’t trust Lafleur to make the right decision, than the issue is bigger than just the DC and we need to know now. If he insists on bringing Barry back you send them both packing this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: You can't have it both ways. Barry either sucks as a DC (he does) or he doesn't. Not wanting GB to make the playoffs because you are afraid that means Barry will be retained is silly. How is that having it both ways? Like I said, I am against ANYTHING happening that would give MLF any reason to retain Barry. My outcome, at the end of the season, because MLF is too much of a ***** to do it now, is for Barry to be out. Anything that could transpire to change that outcome, IE making the playoffs, I'm not for. It's one way, not both ways. Edited December 22, 2023 by Old Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Old Guy said: Savage, who likes to play downhill, is a fish out of water in Barry's scheme. Savage has other shortcomings, but he could be a serviceable guy in the right scheme. If you play defense in the NFL, your nature is to want to be aggressive. I would still like us to bring him back and play him at slot corner. No more safety, pure slot corner. Keep him near the LOS. Let him blitz some as well as cover. While he is a complete and utter failure at safety, I think he can have a career as a "plus" slot corner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Old Guy said: How is that having it both ways? Like I said, I am against ANYTHING happening that would give MLF any reason to retain Barry. My outcome, at the end of the season, because MLF is too much of a ***** to do it now, is for Barry to be out. Anything that could transpire to change that outcome, IE making the playoffs, I'm not for. It's one way, not both ways. What is it that you think might happen to sway MLF's opinion? Short of GB making the NFCC, I don't see any scenario when Barry being retained seems at all likely. Even then, I think it would require an exceptional turn around by the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pugger said: I get what you are saying too. I'd be all for the playoffs if we would play anybody but the freaking Cowboys. I don't know. I feel we have gotten adequate revenge on the Cowboys. I really don't want to see a San Fran team in the playoffs until we are a great team lol. Too many bad memories. Note, I don't think it's possible we would make it far enough to play them. Just saying. Edited December 22, 2023 by Toddfather 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Toddfather said: I don't know. I feel we have gotten adequate revenge on the Cowboys. I really don't want to see a San Fran team in the playoffs until we are a great team lol. Too many bad memories. Note, I don't think it's possible we would make it far enough to play them. Just saying. I feel the same way. I want us to get playoff experience but to send our young team to get shredded in Santa Clara by LaFluer’s old boss will not make me feel good. We get the 9ers next year at Lambeau if we want to see how we measure up with a more mature team and hopefully better defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 47 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I would still like us to bring him back and play him at slot corner. No more safety, pure slot corner. Keep him near the LOS. Let him blitz some as well as cover. While he is a complete and utter failure at safety, I think he can have a career as a "plus" slot corner. What is it that has kept Barry around this long? It's utter nonsense he was allowed to come back this year. It's even worse he's here after the last two games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 48 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I would still like us to bring him back and play him at slot corner. No more safety, pure slot corner. Keep him near the LOS. Let him blitz some as well as cover. While he is a complete and utter failure at safety, I think he can have a career as a "plus" slot corner. Everybody on the board seems to have Cooper DeJean playing slot for us next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Between the Dez Bryant no-catch in 2014, and the Jared Cook sideline catch in 2016, I think GB has evened up its playoff karma with DAL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Old Guy said: Everybody on the board seems to have Cooper DeJean playing slot for us next year. I think he's perfect for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, vegas492 said: I would still like us to bring him back and play him at slot corner. No more safety, pure slot corner. Keep him near the LOS. Let him blitz some as well as cover. While he is a complete and utter failure at safety, I think he can have a career as a "plus" slot corner. stokes, ja, nor valentine are going to be slot corners. nixon cant do it. a twitchy cb is very much a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 54 minutes ago, Toddfather said: I don't know. I feel we have gotten adequate revenge on the Cowboys. I really don't want to see a San Fran team in the playoffs until we are a great team lol. Too many bad memories. Note, I don't think it's possible we would make it far enough to play them. Just saying. For anyone concerned that Barry could somehow salvage his job if GB makes the playoffs, a game vs SF is precisely what we should want. If that game were to be played, GB might give up a perfect passer rating AND a 200+ yards rushing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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