Gopackgonerd Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: He's not any different than Landry or Edmunds in terms of block shedding. As I've said you can't expect a 250 pound guy to consistently beat a guy who is 75 pound heavier than him and stronger. They're upfield attackers, just like Clay. Guys like Perry, Davenport and Chubb can sit there in hand combat with an OL and set the edge. LVE, Edmunds, Key, Landry they're upfield players, they need to attack the LOS. I see both Edmunds and LVE as much better pro prospects than college prospects because you don't get the multiple front versatility very often from a college defense. These guys are ILBs in a college scheme. With a coordinator like Pettine I think you're looking more at that Matthews role from a few years back. No reason to have guys that big and explosive dropping into coverage consistently. I see both handcuffed by a college stystem. What ILB isn't 75 pounds lighter than the OL tho? You dont have the strength of a DLineman, but you still gotta do something to get off blocks. LVE just doesnt do much. He doesn't use his hands at all, most of the time he throws his body into blocks. Unless he learns to use his hands better, he'll suffer in the run game despite how you use him. He'll prob get better at it in the NFL no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gopackgonerd said: What ILB isn't 75 pounds lighter than the OL tho? You dont have the strength of a DLineman, but you still gotta do something to get off blocks. LVE just doesnt do much. He doesn't use his hands at all, most of the time he throws his body into blocks. Unless he learns to use his hands better, he'll suffer in the run game despite how you use him. He'll prob get better at it in the NFL no doubt. What I'm saying is I haven't seen any ILB as a prospect that continually does. Smith gets enveloped, Edmunds let's guys get to his body just like LVE. No ILB consistently sheds blocks. You've either have to scheme them to attack a gap, or keep them clean with the big guys up front. If you play them read and react and an OG gets a clean release to the second level, forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: What I'm saying is I haven't seen any ILB as a prospect that continually does. Smith gets enveloped, Edmunds let's guys get to his body just like LVE. No ILB consistently sheds blocks. You've either have to scheme them to attack a gap, or keep them clean with the big guys up front. If you play them read and react and an OG gets a clean release to the second level, forget it. It just seems like he could do more in that area than just shouldering into them, and instead using your hands more. He gets caught up in the trash more than the other guys imo. Could be just a nitpick of mine though, still think he's a great prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, Gopackgonerd said: It just seems like he could do more in that area than just shouldering into them, and instead using your hands more. He gets caught up in the trash more than the other guys imo. Could be just a nitpick of mine though, still think he's a great prospect. Agree with this. I've got to watch more film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Hand usage is an skill. Daniels does some Martial Arts that helps with that. NFL coaching will help as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 What do you make of Obo Okoronkwo? Isn’t he a bit like Elvis Dumervil? CBS has him as their 15th best prospect and the NFL site projects him to the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattlipp Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Browns would be idiots to not get Barkley , I would take his #1 and take whichever QB falls to 4, wouldn't risk Giants taking him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodjahs12 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Davenport is becoming really underrated in this sub forum. Beyond simply freakish strength the guy has a plethora of moves he uses so well to beat tackles and that’s something that isn’t as easy to teach as one would believe. Landry is way too reliant on his ability to fly around the edge with his bend. That isn’t a bad thing, but unless you’re Von Miller level at that which I don’t believe he is, you’re going to need more. Frankly I see Landry as a project just as Davenport is but for different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persiandud Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 20 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Apparently you are missing a lot. cmon man don't be like that. tell me what you like about him. honestly, i looked at him a few months ago and thought "wow this would be a nice player to get in the third round" now he's getting first round talk? why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, persiandud said: cmon man don't be like that. tell me what you like about him. honestly, i looked at him a few months ago and thought "wow this would be a nice player to get in the third round" now he's getting first round talk? why? There's a ton in this thread and others, just read through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Packerraymond Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Spent the night re-watching Mike Hughes since we're bringing him in for the visit. He was a guy I watched pre-Combine. Moving him above Josh Jackson. Gave him the same grade as Jaire Alexander. So much more physical, his change of direction is awesome, his t-step is the best I've seen so far. Special teams value, he strong, tough, ball skills are there, really the whole package is there. You just wish he was taller and wasn't so raw (1 year D1 starting experience). Top 5 CBs now: Denzel Ward Jaire Alexander Mike Hughes Josh Jackson Isaiah Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeightTheVillain Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Just now, Packerraymond said: Spent the night re-watching Mike Hughes since we're bringing him in for the visit. He was a guy I watched pre-Combine. Moving him above Josh Jackson. Gave him the same grade as Jaire Alexander. So much more physical, his change of direction is awesome, his t-step is the best I've seen so far. Special teams value, he strong, tough, ball skills are there, really the whole package is there. You just wish he was taller and wasn't so raw (1 year D1 starting experience). With the all-22 tape I have on hand. I am huge fan. I definitely put him as the 3rd best CB available. Depending on how you classify Minkah, But he has unfair advantage in my opinion because I only have American Conference all-22. But his work deep down field is just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 minute ago, SpeightTheVillain said: With the all-22 tape I have on hand. I am huge fan. I definitely put him as the 3rd best CB available. Depending on how you classify Minkah, But he has unfair advantage in my opinion because I only have American Conference all-22. But his work deep down field is just as good. Awesome, I had ACC tape the year Donald and Kyle Fuller came out because we added a triple option package to our offense at the college we were at and someone from Georgia Tech gave us all their tape. Donald was one of the most fun guys I've ever watched on tape. I'm regulated to cutups and what I DVRd this year. Stupidly I didn't DVR USF/UCF and that's the one I want to watch most of his that I don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persiandud Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 what do you guys think of oliver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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