bruceb Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Kiwibrown said: we can be pleasing mediocre with hue IMO So what is our cheer? Go mediocres! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, bruceb said: So what is our cheer? Go mediocres! no. but i will be bale to delude myself with hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: His wiki page is undated already Saying he is the RB coach for the browns. He is no where near the coach as Kirby. Bad move IMO. Not really impressed with his body of work in college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, buno67 said: His wiki page is undated already Saying he is the RB coach for the browns. He is no where near the coach as Kirby. Bad move IMO. Not really impressed with his body of work in college Kirby’s resume never really impressed me. It’s not like he developed AP and he didn’t do much in pitt or Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, buno67 said: His wiki page is undated already Saying he is the RB coach for the browns. He is no where near the coach as Kirby. Bad move IMO. Not really impressed with his body of work in college You can tell he's "no where near the coach" Kirby was all from his resume, huh? It's fair to say he doesn't have the professional RB coach experience. But as we've never seen him in practice or in the meetings, we can't say this is a bad hire. He did create and develop a RB powerhouse at Auburn w/ Tre Mason and Michael Dyer who were both likely to have long nfl Careers before off field (Dyer) and brain trauma (Mason) issues derailed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Mind Character said: You can tell he's "no where near the coach" Kirby was all from his resume, huh? It's fair to say he doesn't have the professional RB coach experience. But as we've never seen him in practice or in the meetings, we can't say this is a bad hire. He did create and develop a RB powerhouse at Auburn w/ Tre Mason and Michael Dyer who were both likely to have long nfl Careers before off field (Dyer) and brain trauma (Mason) issues derailed them. Running back Power house. Dyer was a stud at Auburn cause he was running off of cam newton. Tre Mason was a solid back in an extremely heavy run offense but he was nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, buno67 said: Running back Power house. Dyer was a stud at Auburn cause he was running off of cam newton. Tre Mason was a solid back in an extremely heavy run offense but he was nothing special. Mason went for 1800 plus yards and 12 plus TDs when Cam Newton wasn't there...so there is that... Again, that's the point...is a coached better for coaching up an all world talent like Adrian Peterson or a RB that doesn't have the greatest physical characteristics and athleticism and getting him (Tre Mason) to go for over 1800 yds and double digit TDs even without Cam... Granted...we still don't know how Luper is in practice or meetings, but 1800 yds isn't nothing. Cameron Artis-Payne's talent was maximized going for 1600 yds and 12+Tds as well.. Names people won't remember were Kendell Hunter (1555 yds;double digit TDs and Dontrell Savage at OkSt) What came first the chicken or the egg...the offense or the RB production? The good player or the good coaching? Tough to say, but Luper had a part in various places maximizing RB talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGK Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I think it's silly to have an opinion either way about how good of an RB coach a college OC will make. I'm just glad they're at least willing to hire from the college system rather than limiting themselves to pure NFL guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshBooty Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 6:51 PM, bruceb said: And an HC and OC “All we need is a defense and an offense and some rule changes”. The Good Place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Mason went for 1800 plus yards and 12 plus TDs when Cam Newton wasn't there...so there is that... Again, that's the point...is a coached better for coaching up an all world talent like Adrian Peterson or a RB that doesn't have the greatest physical characteristics and athleticism and getting him (Tre Mason) to go for over 1800 yds and double digit TDs even without Cam... Granted...we still don't know how Luper is in practice or meetings, but 1800 yds isn't nothing. Cameron Artis-Payne's talent was maximized going for 1600 yds and 12+Tds as well.. Names people won't remember were Kendell Hunter (1555 yds;double digit TDs and Dontrell Savage at OkSt) What came first the chicken or the egg...the offense or the RB production? The good player or the good coaching? Tough to say, but Luper had a part in various places maximizing RB talent. Mason and Artis Payne weren’t coached by Luper during those 1800+ and 1600+ seasons. Okst have had RBs put up good numbers before Luper ever got there and after he got there. Hunter put up the same stat line basically two years later that big season under Luper. What he has done as a RB isn’t bad but nothing I’m getting excited about. With Kirby we have seen the RBs so well here and developed into the strength of the team. There was no need to replace. Hue is just cleaning house trying to make it show it was his assistants being an issue and not just himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 30 minutes ago, freakygeniuskid said: I think it's silly to have an opinion either way about how good of an RB coach a college OC will make. I'm just glad they're at least willing to hire from the college system rather than limiting themselves to pure NFL guys. I just think think there are better runningback coaches from the college level. Rather bring back John Settle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, buno67 said: Mason and Artis Payne weren’t coached by Luper during those 1800+ and 1600+ seasons. Okst have had RBs put up good numbers before Luper ever got there and after he got there. Hunter put up the same stat line basically two years later that big season under Luper. What he has done as a RB isn’t bad but nothing I’m getting excited about. With Kirby we have seen the RBs so well here and developed into the strength of the team. There was no need to replace. Hue is just cleaning house trying to make it show it was his assistants being an issue and not just himself On Kirby Wilson....most don't know that Kirby Wilson and Hue are childhood friends, went to high school together, and competed against each other in their youth. According to some apart of the John Wooten led Fritz-Pollard Alliance, Kirby came here under the assumption that he would have the opportunity to be OC eventually if other candidates didn't work out. Hue gave him the running coordinator role and said he'd let him develop offensive play calling skills. At the end of this season, Kirby pushed for the OC role but Hue was hesitant to promote him to such a role given the belief that in this upcoming critical season either he'd be calling the plays or an experienced/successful OC would. This left the relationship/friendship strained and untenable as a working relationship. ---------------------------------------------------------- @buno67 Good and fair point on those seasons coming the year after Luper moved on to TCU. Luper did coach and develop both of them in their careers though. But hunter did have his first breakout season under Luper. How do we quantify how good a position coach is at their job? How do we quantify the strength of the coaching job? All we really do is look at the success of the player in terms of production mostly. Al Saunders was a really bad coach according to many on this board this year when Bryce Treggs, Ricardo Louis, and Kenny Britt led the way...he became a better and good coach when Josh Gordon and Corey Coleman returned. Sean Ryan was a wunderkind QB extraordinaire according to PPL here because Deshaun Watson had success his first year in Bill Obrien's offense and QB coaching. The point is we look at the production of a player than attribute it to the coach to assess a coaches abilities. Ultimately, their are other benchmarks for assessing if a Coach or good or not or if a coach is up to the standard of Kirby Wilson... Such things are likely to be what a HC is questioning and finding out about when they bring prospective candidates like Luper or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 If somehow someway, Hue can pull Mike Mularkey OC, Russ Grimm OL Coach, and Sylvester Croom RB Coach, Steve Hoffman ST Coordinator from Tennesse all because of an unexpected firing of Mularkey...it would really be something to get excited about. If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see Terry Robiskie come on as a Senior Offensive Assistant. At this point, the Titans Coaches (offense and defense) are the most coveted assistant coaches in the league as they are all about to be able to get out of their contracts in the next few days while the rest of the prime assistant coaches won't hit the market until after the Super Bowl per rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Bring in all those assistants, allow them to form a coup, and have a battle royal for the HC vacancy once Hueball is removed from office. Bob Wylie not invited obv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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