patriotsheatyan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, ILoveTheVikings said: So what stats does Jordan have that put him above everyone else? Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, patriotsheatyan said: Who? Michael Jordan. The undisputed GOAT in basketball. You don't have to be the leader in stats to be the GOAT>... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, patriotsheatyan said: Who’s almost every analyst? Sports journalists? NFL commentators being paid to hype up games? Millennial son Twitter? Gen X’ers on NFL Network? At the end of the day it always comes down to “Brady doesn’t have the best stats, doesn’t have the best individual awards, didn’t revolutionize the game or bring a new era of quarterbacks, and you can’t break down the film and say he made throws and reads that Rodgers or Manning couldn’t, but he was on a team that won the most Super Bowls so he must be the best”. Brady has team success and literally nothing else that puts him above Rodgers, Manning, Montana, Unitas, or Graham. Brady simultaneously has the best combination of efficiency and bulk stats of all time. He's one of only two QB's to have 50 TD's in a single season. He's the only unanimous MVP ever. He broke the record for single season TD:INT ratio. He has the record for most passes without an INT. He's likely going to challenge for the record in nearly every bulk stat there is. He's likely about to join an elite list of only 4 other people to win more than two MVP's. He absolutely shatters every QB who ever played the game in win percentage in games where he had to make over 50 pass attempts. Brady along with Rodgers and Manning are the only players with 2 seasons in the top 10 of single season passer rating, and Brady's the only one with 3 in the top 20. Brady has the highest single season QBR of all time (whether you agree with the stat or not). I didn't even need to talk about stats. Brady would be a HOF'er easily even without Super Bowls. Manning's better in bulk stats buy he lags in efficicency. Rodgers is barely better in efficiency and that's largely only because Brady played a good chunk of his career in the era before him (they are roughly neck and neck common seasons played) and Rodgers will never compete for any bulk stats records. The wins and Super Bowls are just icing. Sounds like you just made an opinion without thinking it through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, ILoveTheVikings said: Michael Jordan. The undisputed GOAT in basketball. I have no idea. I don’t watch basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ILoveTheVikings said: Michael Jordan. The undisputed GOAT in basketball. You don't have to be the leader in stats to be the GOAT>... Well based off the argument he's responding to yeah he does. Because Jordan's wins and championships were as much a function of his team and coach if not more than Brady. Unlike Brady... Jordan's coach won 5 championships without him including another 3 peat immediately after going to another a team. Unlike Brady... Jordan had easily the most stacked team as far as talent of his era when he was playing. Unlike Brady... Jordan played in one of the least competitive era's of his sports history while there's a strong argument Brady played in the most competitive and hardest to consistently win era in his sports history. And then while Brady is actually actively challenging for alot of the records in his sport, Wilt Chamberlain actually owns most stats. In fact championships are the ONLY thing that keeps Jordan over Wilt. If we want to play that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, lancerman said: Well based off the argument he's responding to yeah he does. Because Jordan's wins and championships were as much a function of his team and coach if not more than Brady. Unlike Brady... Jordan's coach won 5 championships without him including another 3 peat immediately after going to another a team. Unlike Brady... Jordan had easily the most stacked team as far as talent of his era when he was playing. Unlike Brady... Jordan played in one of the least competitive era's of his sports history while there's a strong argument Brady played in the most competitive and hardest to consistently win era in his sports history. And then while Brady is actually actively challenging for alot of the records in his sport, Wilt Chamberlain actually owns most stats. In fact championships are the ONLY thing that keeps Jordan over Wilt. If we want to play that game. I know. I'll look it up after the Wolves game, but Brady has both the highest regular season and postseason winning percentage in history (forgot the minimum amount of games required), has the most come from behind wins ever, 2 mvp's, 5 Superbowl, stats that still are along the greats, etc, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, ILoveTheVikings said: I know. I'll look it up after the Wolves game, but Brady has both the highest regular season and postseason winning percentage in history (forgot the minimum amount of games required), has the most come from behind wins ever, 2 mvp's, 5 Superbowl, stats that still are along the greats, etc, etc When it's just stats it goes like this. Peyton is the best in bulk. Rodgers is the best in efficiency. Brady is the best in both. When you add wins it just becomes landslide in one direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLF54927 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, lancerman said: He's not even better than Howe and Orr is up there Absolutely better than Howe and debatable with Orr only if you use peak and do not value longevity. Brady just does not have the hardware to compete with a guy like Wayne. Guy holds 60 NHL records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Town Values Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 There’s really no such thing... So, yes... At least from an Americentric point of view. Football (Soccer) is the most popular sport in the world, so many countries would pick a football player. And, if we treat this as a popularity contest, a football player would runaway with it. However, I think this question is open to interpretation of what you think the greatest sports player is. That being the case, Brady is the equal to any legend of any other sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, DLF54927 said: Absolutely better than Howe and debatable with Orr only if you use peak and do not value longevity. Brady just does not have the hardware to compete with a guy like Wayne. Guy holds 60 NHL records. Gretzky only has 4 Stanley Cups. And Gretzky is a massive advocate that he isn't better than Howe. Then again I think I'd say Larry Bird had the best peak of any NBA player ever. Might point is there's a lot of ways you can look at it. B It's impossible for an NFL player to have 60 NFL records. Brady will retire with every relevant winning record, every relevant playoff record, and it's quite possible with most relevant regular season stat records if he plays two more seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLF54927 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, lancerman said: Gretzky only has 4 Stanley Cups. Yep, and 8 consecutive MVPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, DLF54927 said: Yep, and 8 consecutive MVPs. I know. And Howe has 6 MVP's. Nobody in the NFL has ever gotten more than 5. It's a different sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, lancerman said: Brady simultaneously has the best combination of efficiency and bulk stats of all time. He's one of only two QB's to have 50 TD's in a single season. He's the only unanimous MVP ever. He broke the record for single season TD:INT ratio. He has the record for most passes without an INT. He's likely going to challenge for the record in nearly every bulk stat there is. He's likely about to join an elite list of only 4 other people to win more than two MVP's. He absolutely shatters every QB who ever played the game in win percentage in games where he had to make over 50 pass attempts. Brady along with Rodgers and Manning are the only players with 2 seasons in the top 10 of single season passer rating, and Brady's the only one with 3 in the top 20. Brady has the highest single season QBR of all time (whether you agree with the stat or not). I didn't even need to talk about stats. Brady would be a HOF'er easily even without Super Bowls. Manning's better in bulk stats buy he lags in efficicency. Rodgers is barely better in efficiency and that's largely only because Brady played a good chunk of his career in the era before him (they are roughly neck and neck common seasons played) and Rodgers will never compete for any bulk stats records. The wins and Super Bowls are just icing. Sounds like you just made an opinion without thinking it through In other words, you don’t have career stats and are posting multiple stat lines from a single season (2007) and several “records” from an incomplete 2016 season that wouldn’t have held in 16 games. You also let us know that Rodgers efficiency numbers are higher, but claim that it is only because Brady played less than three seasons before the rule changes in 04, while ignoring that Manning played more than three extra seasons than Brady did. You also claim Brady had higher efficiency than Manning, when Manning had a higher passer rating than Brady 9/13 seasons they played alongside each other with one of those seasons being Manning’s zombie season (and this is while Manning is throwing for more yardage 9/13 seasons with one of those also being Manning’s final year). Then you claim that Rodger’s is only slightly more efficient than Brady, when Brady’s passer rating has only hit Rodger’s career average passering rating four times in seventeen seasons as a starter. If you really think Brady’s numbers have been as efficient as Rodger’s or superior to Manning’s then lol. These aren’t even close. Brady’s individual numbers have consistently been fourth in his own generation and his individual accolades are below two other players of his own generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchup Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLF54927 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, lancerman said: I know. And Howe has 6 MVP's. Nobody in the NFL has ever gotten more than 5. It's a different sport I figured, different uniforms and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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