HokieHigh Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 6 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: It really depends on if the team believes that Runyan is still an ascending player, or if he has peaked. He is going to be 27 this season and has started 50 of 51 games the last three seasons. In the very least, you have a relatively young player who has shown at least average guard play over a pretty good sample size. I wonder if they also rank him highly because he is likely to be a good value if he hits all his marks? This seems like it could be a very good value signing for a team looking to bolster their offensive line. I was looking at a list of the FAs, and a couple of things caught my eye. Did you know that Ezekiel Elliott is only 28 years old? And Jedeveon Clowney is only 31? Seems like those guys have been in the league for like 20 years. I also haven't paid much attention to him since he left, but Lucas Patrick is a FA again. He is only 30, and has both center and guard experience. Do we look at him as an interior super-sub so we don't have to play musical chairs with our OL if one of the preferred starters goes down? I have zero idea how much he will cost. Cant we just play rhyan this year and tender him the next year? Also draft a guy rd 3-7 and develop them so in 3 yrs they are ready. Doesnt seem like a crisis to me at all. Jrj just didnt have the strength to move big guys in the run game in big moments. Maybe part of it was his injuries this year and maybe he gets stronger.. but his replacement for this year is most likely already on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 21 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: If savage catches that ball against sf the conversation looks a lot different. At 4.5million per year i would definitely bring him back. just dont make him the main guy back there. We paid key 6 million last year. Savage quickly becomes a fan favorite if he catches that ball vs SF. Fairly or not, a catch there paints him in a different light as a player. It could have been his 2nd consecutive playoff game with a game altering pick 6. His FA narrative would revolve around how big of a factor he was in GB's run to (at least) the NFCC. Instead, he's viewed as the same old Savage who rarely makes a play. That drop vs SF will cost him millions. Of course it's also true that if Savage makes that catch, Barry could still be the Packers DC. Savage is a hero. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 31 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: It really depends on if the team believes that Runyan is still an ascending player, or if he has peaked. He is going to be 27 this season and has started 50 of 51 games the last three seasons. In the very least, you have a relatively young player who has shown at least average guard play over a pretty good sample size. I wonder if they also rank him highly because he is likely to be a good value if he hits all his marks? This seems like it could be a very good value signing for a team looking to bolster their offensive line. I am not even sure Runyan will be that much of a value signing. Teams are going to value someone who started 50 of 51 games on the OL and didn't totally suck. I think this is a situation where other teams will value/need Runyan more than GB does, so he'll be moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Just now, HokieHigh said: Cant we just play rhyan this year and tender him the next year? Also draft a guy rd 3-7 and develop them so in 3 yrs they are ready. Doesnt seem like a crisis to me at all. Jrj just didnt have the strength to move big guys in the run game in big moments. Maybe part of it was his injuries this year and maybe he gets stronger.. but his replacement for this year is most likely already on the roster. I should have been more clear. I can see why someone would rank JRJ so highly in terms of being a FA target, league-wide. I think the Packers' plan is to go with Rhyan vs a draft pick. And I don't fault the logic there either. I am not the biggest Sean Rhyan believer, but I think he is probably a better value at 1.3 million vs what Runyan gets as a FA. I threw in Lucas Patrick as a still reasonably young, safe OL to add to the room as a possible back-up to all three interior positions, or even starter if "bad" Sean Rhyan returns. Patrick has started 48 games since 2020. I also have zero idea what the market for a Lucas Patrick will be, he could just as easily be way beyond my price range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, Mazrimiv said: I am not even sure Runyan will be that much of a value signing. Teams are going to value someone who started 50 of 51 games on the OL and didn't totally suck. I think this is a situation where other teams will value/need Runyan more than GB does, so he'll be moving on. Teams need plus player quality offensive line. Runyan can provide that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, Mazrimiv said: I am not even sure Runyan will be that much of a value signing. Teams are going to value someone who started 50 of 51 games on the OL and didn't totally suck. I think this is a situation where other teams will value/need Runyan more than GB does, so he'll be moving on. Yeah, see my reply to Hokie. I completely see the value on the FA market. Probably less so for the Packers. I am not the biggest Rhyan supporter, but he is probably just fine at 1.3 million vs Runyan's more than likely at least double that salary. IF JRJ gets 4 million per season, that makes him the 28th highest paid guard. Probably a good value for a team struggling with their OL over 4 more seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leader Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 From #15 to 6th round pick value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tperk Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, Leader said: Did NE just create a starting QB spot for Cousins or for Maye/Daniels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, Tperk said: Did NE just create a starting QB spot for Cousins or for Maye/Daniels? I dont remember who got drafted after Mac @ 15 and how they faired - but clearly (IMO) NE is starting over from the top: QB. New GM (or head of personnel), HC, QB....new start over. It's been long overdue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 28 minutes ago, Leader said: From #15 to 6th round pick value. Matt Patricia as your OC can do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, thrILL! said: Matt Patricia as your OC can do that. Yeah, that made no sense...but it was a death rattle move from Belichick. It was over for him by this point already IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 This 👇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Leader said: I dont remember who got drafted after Mac @ 15 and how they faired - but clearly (IMO) NE is starting over from the top: QB. New GM (or head of personnel), HC, QB....new start over. It's been long overdue. Going by wAV, the only thing they have really missed on so far is some OL and Amon-Ra St. Brown. He was taken 15th and currently ranks 12th. But that metric is not the end-all-be all. That was a pretty bad QB draft. Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, and Justin Fields went before Mac Jones. After Jones you have heavy-weights: Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond, Davis Mills, Ian Book, and Sam Ehlinger. I actually think that 2021 was a pretty poor draft overall. Chiefs definitely cleaned up though. It was a pretty good OL and WR class. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/draft.htm Edited March 10 by ThatJerkDave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 41 minutes ago, Leader said: From #15 to 6th round pick value. Jeudy was also picked at #15. Not a good weekend for that slot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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