JAF-N72EX Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 After 6 years in the league, we know what Foles is and I imagine Nick Foles himself does too. A solid-to-good backup option but average at best starting QB. We have seen sparks like this too many times to count including Kyle Orton who he reminds me alot of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Maybe Jim Plunkett. Former number one pick, jettisoned from New England, struggled in San Francisco, and the lands with the Raiders. He comes off the bench twice to lead the Raiders to two Super Bowl victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: After 6 years in the league, we know what Foles is and I imagine Nick Foles himself does too. A solid-to-good backup option but average at best starting QB. We have seen sparks like this too many times to count including Kyle Orton who he reminds me alot of. And yet if the Eagles win, someone will absolutely give too much to get Foles as their starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: And yet if the Eagles win, someone will absolutely give too much to get Foles as their starting QB. Maybe but it isn't going to be a pick in the first 2 rounds. Still, it would probably be an overpay considering what you will likely be getting which is an inconsistent backup QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Maybe but it isn't going to be a pick in the first 2 rounds. Still, it would probably be an overpay considering what you will likely be getting which is an inconsistent backup QB. I dunno. We've seen weirder compensation for QBs. I could totally see a team throwing a 2nd rounder at Philly and giving Foles $18M per on an extension thinking he's legit. Provided the superbowl goes similar to today, in terms of his performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Matt Flynn? Joe Flacco? Kurt Warner? Brock Osweiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: I dunno. We've seen weirder compensation for QBs. I could totally see a team throwing a 2nd rounder at Philly and giving Foles $18M per on an extension thinking he's legit. Provided the superbowl goes similar to today, in terms of his performance. Team already traded for Nick foles, the eagles gave up more for the superior Bradford than they got for Foles. I really doubt after his Stint with the rams many teams are going to see this is as a "Second coming" of Foles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Ryan vogelsong comes to mind. He was a pitcher for the San Francisco Giants. Drafted in the 5th round in 1998 (5th round is pretty high in baseball there's 40 rounds) spent a few years in the minors then in 2001 started the year 0-5 with a 6.75 era and was traded to the pirates. He then got hurt a few weeks later, had Tommy John surgery and was out until 2003. In 2004 he pitched the whole year and went 6-13 with a 6.50 era. Then he was moved to the bullpen in 2005 and had an era of 4.5. Then he went to Japan, played for 2 different teams between 2007 and 2009. 2010 he's on the Phillies AAA team and has an era in the mid 4s again. Goes to the angels AAA team and again has an era in the mid 4s. Then in 2011 he signs with the giants to fill in for injury, pitches against the pirates (who the giants traded him to 10 years earlier) and he strikes out 8 guys and gives up 4 hits. Ends up making the all Star team that year and goes 13-7 with a 2.71 era. 2012 he leads the NL in era before the all Star break and finishes 14-9 with a 3.3 era. Then in the playoffs the giants are down 0-2 in a 5 game series against the reds, he pitches a gem, giants win, end up taking the series. Next series we are facing elimination again in game 6, vogelsong pitches a gem we win then we go on to win the world series. He went 3-0 in four games with 24 innings pitched and a 1.00 era in the post season. The giants don't win their first world series in San Francisco without him. TLDR: drafted by giants in 1998, fell out of the league, went to Japan, bounced around the MLB, landed back with the giants, dominates in the playoffs and wins a world series in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, N4L said: Ryan vogelsong comes to mind. He was a pitcher for the San Francisco Giants. Drafted in the 5th round in 1998 (5th round is pretty high in baseball there's 40 rounds) spent a few years in the minors then in 2001 started the year 0-5 with a 6.75 era and was traded to the pirates. He then got hurt a few weeks later, had Tommy John surgery and was out until 2003. In 2004 he pitched the whole year and went 6-13 with a 6.50 era. Then he was moved to the bullpen in 2005 and had an era of 4.5. Then he went to Japan, played for 2 different teams between 2007 and 2009. 2010 he's on the Phillies AAA team and has an era in the mid 4s again. Goes to the angels AAA team and again has an era in the mid 4s. Then in 2011 he signs with the giants to fill in for injury, pitches against the pirates (who the giants traded him to 10 years earlier) and he strikes out 8 guys and gives up 4 hits. Ends up making the all Star team that year and goes 13-7 with a 2.71 era. 2012 he leads the NL in era before the all Star break and finishes 14-9 with a 3.3 era. Then in the playoffs the giants are down 0-2 in a 5 game series against the reds, he pitches a gem, giants win, end up taking the series. Next series we are facing elimination again in game 6, vogelsong pitches a gem we win then we go on to win the world series. He went 3-0 in four games with 24 innings pitched and a 1.00 era in the post season. The giants don't win their first world series in San Francisco without him. TLDR: drafted by giants in 1998, fell out of the league, went to Japan, bounced around the MLB, landed back with the giants, dominates in the playoffs and wins a world series in 2012 Wait, when did Vogelsong play in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Jakuvious said: I dunno. We've seen weirder compensation for QBs. I could totally see a team throwing a 2nd rounder at Philly and giving Foles $18M per on an extension thinking he's legit. Provided the superbowl goes similar to today, in terms of his performance. It could happen but I doubt it does even if he is SB MVP. If he was 25 or younger and this was his first real shot, absolutely. If he would have come in for Wentz and played well each game, probably. He has had over 100 rating each of the three playoff games he has played and has 5 TD to no INTs so maybe someone overpays for his clutch ability but I still don't foresee a 2nd. At best someone would trade for him to start until a drafted QB is ready. I don't think anyone trades for him as a long term starter and thus doesn't give up a higher pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 hours ago, OleXmad said: 2 hours ago, Jakuvious said: I dunno. We've seen weirder compensation for QBs. I could totally see a team throwing a 2nd rounder at Philly and giving Foles $18M per on an extension thinking he's legit. Provided the superbowl goes similar to today, in terms of his performance. Team already traded for Nick foles, the eagles gave up more for the superior Bradford than they got for Foles. I really doubt after his Stint with the rams many teams are going to see this is as a "Second coming" of Foles. I think you underestimate the Jeff Fisher Effect! His Rams debacle will be as easily forgotten as Case Keenum and Jared Goff's. Fisher sucks that bad!! Say what you will about Foles but he has proven more times then Not, when placed in the right system. He can thrive. I'm not saying he's worth the money or pick compensation but it doesn't mean another team won't think otherwise. Especially if he somehow wins the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: I think you underestimate the Jeff Fisher Effect! His Rams debacle will be as easily forgotten as Case Keenum and Jared Goff's. Fisher sucks that bad!! Say what you will about Foles but he has proven more times then Not, when placed in the right system. He can thrive. I'm not saying he's worth the money or pick compensation but it doesn't mean another team won't think otherwise. Especially if he somehow wins the SB. ...Fair point. Jeff Fisher's offense has proven time and time again it screwed over good QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 13 hours ago, Darth Pees said: Matt Flynn? Joe Flacco? Kurt Warner? Brock Osweiler? big no to all of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, Starless said: big no to all of those I don't know, when I think about a guy who was really good and then really bad and then was a backup, that's not that weird to me. That's not as weird as Flynn being a backup, getting a huge contract and getting beat out in camp and then being gone. Flacco being horrible except in the playoffs, Warner being out of the league then coming back and being awesome, and Osweiler going from team to team and being trade bait and a huge contract only to end up where he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beats2rock Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 How about Josh McCown. He broke 100 passer rating for the first time his tenth year in the league with his fifth team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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