Striker Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/19/2024 at 6:00 PM, HighCalebR said: He is 34, with the worst supporting crew he's about ever had. For sure Mahomes is in his post 2014 Rodgers era. Be interesting how the Chiefs rally, if they're any better than we were. The good thing for Mahomes is he's still only 28 (29 next season) and, despite him counting $57M against the cap, KC has $28M in cap space before moves like cutting MVS ($12M cap savings). There are a few interesting WRs out there too, so they could turn that around quickly if they dip into FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 22 minutes ago, Striker said: The good thing for Mahomes is he's still only 28 (29 next season) and, despite him counting $57M against the cap, KC has $28M in cap space before moves like cutting MVS ($12M cap savings). There are a few interesting WRs out there too, so they could turn that around quickly if they dip into FA. For sure. GB was in a decent spot there too. The pipeline was fairly steady yet. Still had ascending Davante. The line looked strong... defense couldn't hold up or we fall just short. Despite some real solid pieces. Just an interesting fork in the career for Mahomes. Kelce can't go forever and they've had a rather tough go identifying WRs outside Tyreek. The defense has some solid-great pieces for sure but I think as a whole they played a bit above their heads this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, Striker said: The good thing for Mahomes is he's still only 28 (29 next season) and, despite him counting $57M against the cap, KC has $28M in cap space before moves like cutting MVS ($12M cap savings). There are a few interesting WRs out there too, so they could turn that around quickly if they dip into FA. KC is in a great spot. $28M in cap space and Mahomes contract has flexibility to create another $30M+ if they want to retain/ add pieces. They also are an attractive spot for any player hoping to chase a ring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: For sure. GB was in a decent spot there too. The pipeline was fairly steady yet. Still had ascending Davante. The line looked strong... defense couldn't hold up or we fall just short. Despite some real solid pieces. Just an interesting fork in the career for Mahomes. Kelce can't go forever and they've had a rather tough go identifying WRs outside Tyreek. The defense has some solid-great pieces for sure but I think as a whole they played a bit above their heads this year. I touched on it briefly before, is WR just not an Andy Reid thing? The Eagles only ever had TO, and he was well established when he went there, and was not there for long. The only WR of note he has had in KC was Tyreek Hill, and he wasn't taken earlier in the draft because he really likes committing battery. Even in his stint with the Packers, the best WR was either Robert Brooks or Antonio Freeman. He has been around for like 30 years and has had less than a handful of good WR seasons. None of the Chiefs draft picks (aside from Hill) have developed. They signed role-player MVS to be a number 1. They also pull half seasons out of reclamation projects, but they never last (JuJu, Sammy Watkins). Steelers and Packers draft WRs well. Chiefs do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I touched on it briefly before, is WR just not an Andy Reid thing? The Eagles only ever had TO, and he was well established when he went there, and was not there for long. The only WR of note he has had in KC was Tyreek Hill, and he wasn't taken earlier in the draft because he really likes committing battery. Even in his stint with the Packers, the best WR was either Robert Brooks or Antonio Freeman. He has been around for like 30 years and has had less than a handful of good WR seasons. None of the Chiefs draft picks (aside from Hill) have developed. They signed role-player MVS to be a number 1. They also pull half seasons out of reclamation projects, but they never last (JuJu, Sammy Watkins). Steelers and Packers draft WRs well. Chiefs do not. Rookie WR Rashee Rice had a really good year. KC likely adds a WR or 2 in FA / draft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 9 minutes ago, squire12 said: Rookie WR Rashee Rice had a really good year. KC likely adds a WR or 2 in FA / draft Over 100 target mark muddies those waters. definitely turned it up late in the year and hit another gear, but lots of young dudes get force fed balls. Not saying he's good/bad but its part of the interesting story! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: Over 100 target mark muddies those waters. definitely turned it up late in the year and hit another gear, but lots of young dudes get force fed balls. Not saying he's good/bad but its part of the interesting story! Rice had 8 more targets than Reed. If you are happy with what Reed did/ can become, you should be similarly happy/ excited with Rice from the KC perspective 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 1 minute ago, squire12 said: Rice had 8 more targets than Reed. If you are happy with what Reed did/ can become, you should be similarly happy/ excited with Rice from the KC perspective No absolutely. Dont think Reed should be crowned. Dont think Rice should be crowned. Absolutely both teams should be stoked. More film, more notoriety, more eyes. Edited January 22 by HighCalebR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybrowner47 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, vegas492 said: Lions, NFC Championship Game. Packers...lost by 3 to the 49ers in the Divisional Playoff Round. Bears. Own the first overall pick in the draft and and 9'th overall pick. Two picks in the top 10. Vikings. Missed the playoffs. Starting QB and star EDGE rusher are without contracts. Never underestimate the Bears ability to screw this up, but in terms of our division...the Vikes are in a really tough spot. This is SOOO true. I have a feeling we’ll be the doormats of the North for awhile. It appears that most of our stars are either retiring, unrestricted free agents or coming off major injuries all at once. I’m probably in the minority but a total rebuild is what needs to happen. It’d be a tough pill to swallow trading Jefferson but honestly how long will he put up with this current roster anyway? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: No absolutely. Dont think Reed should be crowned. Dont think Rice should be crowned. Absolutely both teams should be stoked. More film, more notoriety, more eyes. Agreed. There are some advanced metrics that point to Rice and less so Reed having great rookie seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 42 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I touched on it briefly before, is WR just not an Andy Reid thing? The Eagles only ever had TO, and he was well established when he went there, and was not there for long. The only WR of note he has had in KC was Tyreek Hill, and he wasn't taken earlier in the draft because he really likes committing battery. Even in his stint with the Packers, the best WR was either Robert Brooks or Antonio Freeman. He has been around for like 30 years and has had less than a handful of good WR seasons. None of the Chiefs draft picks (aside from Hill) have developed. They signed role-player MVS to be a number 1. They also pull half seasons out of reclamation projects, but they never last (JuJu, Sammy Watkins). Steelers and Packers draft WRs well. Chiefs do not. Rice had a very nice rookie season for them at WR. The way this draft is looking for WR's, it sets up nicely for the Chiefs to re-build that room. And they will need it. Looks like Jones and Snead are FA's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 33 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I touched on it briefly before, is WR just not an Andy Reid thing? The Eagles only ever had TO, and he was well established when he went there, and was not there for long. The only WR of note he has had in KC was Tyreek Hill, and he wasn't taken earlier in the draft because he really likes committing battery. Even in his stint with the Packers, the best WR was either Robert Brooks or Antonio Freeman. He has been around for like 30 years and has had less than a handful of good WR seasons. None of the Chiefs draft picks (aside from Hill) have developed. They signed role-player MVS to be a number 1. They also pull half seasons out of reclamation projects, but they never last (JuJu, Sammy Watkins). Steelers and Packers draft WRs well. Chiefs do not. Reid had the Jackson/Maclin combo from 2008 through 2012, which was pretty productive. The availability of WRs has also greatly increased from the early 2000s to now, so a lot of teams made do with lesser groups during his days in Philly. They also haven't put a lot into their WR room in terms of resources. Since Reid arrived, they've spent 10 picks on WRs. And only three of them were second round picks or higher. By comparison, the Packers have spent 19 picks on WRs (three in the second or higher). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Striker said: Reid had the Jackson/Maclin combo from 2008 through 2012, which was pretty productive. The availability of WRs has also greatly increased from the early 2000s to now, so a lot of teams made do with lesser groups during his days in Philly. They also haven't put a lot into their WR room in terms of resources. Since Reid arrived, they've spent 10 picks on WRs. And only three of them were second round picks or higher. By comparison, the Packers have spent 19 picks on WRs (three in the second or higher). soooooooo when does the GET MAHOMES A FIRST ROUND RECEIVER!! start? does he have to turn 30 first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: soooooooo when does the GET MAHOMES A FIRST ROUND RECEIVER!! start? does he have to turn 30 first? He would need to go like 6-8 years between superbowl appearances/ titles. Brady didn't havevthe no receiver thing because he kept winning without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 49 minutes ago, joeybrowner47 said: This is SOOO true. I have a feeling we’ll be the doormats of the North for awhile. It appears that most of our stars are either retiring, unrestricted free agents or coming off major injuries all at once. I’m probably in the minority but a total rebuild is what needs to happen. It’d be a tough pill to swallow trading Jefferson but honestly how long will he put up with this current roster anyway? So, do you want to just rip the band-aid off right now, or try to compete by bringing back Kirk? Also, it would be delicious if the Vikings get a late QB this year, or stink and get a QB early next year, and the Bears manage to still screw up the QB position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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