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MKnight82

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1 hour ago, MikeT14 said:

two backup JAGs costing 10 million in for 35% of plays for run situations. Lovely. Sorry to be part of the "bandwagon" majority. 

You forgot to mention  they are run defending specialists on one of the worst run defending units in the league.  So what’s so “special” about them?

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8 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

You forgot to mention  they are run defending specialists on one of the worst run defending units in the league.  So what’s so “special” about them?

This is the thing. I don't think people hate them because they're not Aaron Donald, it's the fact that they're role players who aren't good at their role. It's like having a roster spot for a blocking tight end who can't block, or a kickoff specialist who can't get touchbacks.

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Just now, Jeezy Fanatic said:

This is the thing. I don't think people hate them because they're not Aaron Donald, it's the fact that they're role players who aren't good at their role. It's like having a roster spot for a blocking tight end who can't block, or a kickoff specialist who can't get touchbacks.

And paying them $10 Mil.

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On 3/21/2018 at 5:57 AM, turtle28 said:

1. Allen

2. Ioannidis 

3. Vea, Payne, Settle or Nndai

4. Hankins/Logan/Sly

5. Lanier

6. Hood, McClain or McGee

Salary cap values of each of these guys for 2018 (per Spotrac):

  1. Jonathan Allen = $2.636M
  2. Matthew Ioannidis = $0.630M
  3. Projections for draft pick
    1. If taken at 13, ~$2.5-2.7M
    2. If taken at 44, ~$1.0-1.2M
  4. [not going to try to project free agent costs]
  5. Anthony Lanier = $0.633M
  6. Vets
    1. Terrell McClain = $4.688M [10th highest cap value, 2.76% of cap]
    2. Stacy McGee = $4.800M [9th highest cap value, 2.83% of cap]
    3. Evander Hood = $1.584M 

 

Let's assume for a moment the Redskins take a DL at 13 and he costs $2.7M against the cap for 2018, but don't sign any of the free agents you list in #4. That would mean that the defensive linemen would in total take up $17.671M in cap space, or essentially 10% of the cap. McClain and McGee by themselves represent 53.7% of the DL's cap space. You listed them 6th behind everyone we have or project to maybe sign/draft.

Does spending 53.7% of the DL cap (and 5.4% of the team's total cap) make sense for the 5th and 6th ranked players? Keeping Hood as a backup makes sense in this analysis; yes, he's more expensive than Lanier or Ioannidis but it's manageable (9.0% of the DL cap, 0.9% of total cap).

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35 minutes ago, Woz said:

Salary cap values of each of these guys for 2018 (per Spotrac):

  1. Jonathan Allen = $2.636M
  2. Matthew Ioannidis = $0.630M
  3. Projections for draft pick
    1. If taken at 13, ~$2.5-2.7M
    2. If taken at 44, ~$1.0-1.2M
  4. [not going to try to project free agent costs]
  5. Anthony Lanier = $0.633M
  6. Vets
    1. Terrell McClain = $4.688M [10th highest cap value, 2.76% of cap]
    2. Stacy McGee = $4.800M [9th highest cap value, 2.83% of cap]
    3. Evander Hood = $1.584M 

 

Let's assume for a moment the Redskins take a DL at 13 and he costs $2.7M against the cap for 2018, but don't sign any of the free agents you list in #4. That would mean that the defensive linemen would in total take up $17.671M in cap space, or essentially 10% of the cap. McClain and McGee by themselves represent 53.7% of the DL's cap space. You listed them 6th behind everyone we have or project to maybe sign/draft.

Does spending 53.7% of the DL cap (and 5.4% of the team's total cap) make sense for the 5th and 6th ranked players? Keeping Hood as a backup makes sense in this analysis; yes, he's more expensive than Lanier or Ioannidis but it's manageable (9.0% of the DL cap, 0.9% of total cap).

Definitely makes more sense to keep Hood. I’m a Hood guy, I used to get in heated discussions in the Steelers forum defending him when he was on his rookie contract. 

Imagine this, a Steelers poster was upset because Hood wasn’t getting 5 sacks a year like Keisel and Aaron Smith used to. So, because of that, he must suck at everything.

Sound familiar?

Hood makes more sense to keep also because he has experience playing 5tech, 3 tech and 1 tech for the Steelers, Jags and Redskins over his 8 or 9 year career and he’s been durable.

That being said, I think we’d be foolish to not keep the player who shows the most this offseason which may be McGee or McClain.  In 2016 we cut Paea for Reyes and it turned out to be a bad move. Paea was no star, but he was capable of playing 1tech, 3tech and 5tech just like Hood is capable of playing them. 

The only reason I can believe we kept Reyes was because it was Joe Barry’s guy from San Diego who flashed his first few years in then league with 10 sacks but then got out of shape it seemed and did nothing. The gamble didn’t play off. 

So I guess the motto is, just keep the player or players who are playing the best.

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16 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Definitely makes more sense to keep Hood. I’m a Hood guy, I used to get in heated discussions in the Steelers forum defending him when he was on his rookie contract. 

Imagine this, a Steelers poster was upset because Hood wasn’t getting 5 sacks a year like Keisel and Aaron Smith used to. So, because of that, he must suck at everything.

Sound familiar?

Hood makes more sense to keep also because he has experience playing 5tech, 3 tech and 1 tech for the Steelers, Jags and Redskins over his 8 or 9 year career and he’s been durable.

That being said, I think we’d be foolish to not keep the player who shows the most this offseason which may be McGee or McClain.  In 2016 we cut Paea for Reyes and it turned out to be a bad move. Paea was no star, but he was capable of playing 1tech, 3tech and 5tech just like Hood is capable of playing them. 

The only reason I can believe we kept Reyes was because it was Joe Barry’s guy from San Diego who flashed his first few years in then league with 10 sacks but then got out of shape it seemed and did nothing. The gamble didn’t play off. 

So I guess the motto is, just keep the player or players who are playing the best.

whats funny is this is a revolutionary concept for the Dan Skins

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MKnight82

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1 minute ago, MikeT14 said:

He wasn't even a full time starter for like 3 seasons before the Skins.

Ok here's how this is going to go, you and I obviously think @turtle28 's comments are ridiculous.  He's going to come in and defend it for like 3 pages.  No resolution will ever occur, and this is supposed to be a thread about Redskins re-signings.

So let's forgo all of that for once and just move on.  

Everyone in agreement?

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4 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

Ok here's how this is going to go, you and I obviously think @turtle28 's comments are ridiculous.  He's going to come in and defend it for like 3 pages.  No resolution will ever occur, and this is supposed to be a thread about Redskins re-signings.

So let's forgo all of that for once and just move on.  

Everyone in agreement?

agreed 100%

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