Frankie2Gunz Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Again... not arguing against taking a tackle. There is just no sense in REACHING for one at 10 when there will without a doubt be better players available. Because unlike you.... I'm not passing up all-pro talent for a middle of the road OT. I can get an OT in round 2-4 and feel good about it. I agree, a Tackle at 10 is a reach and value can be had later on in that area. I have a feeling we go DT, DB or LB at 10. That is where the value is at 10 in the first this year. The DB's that pose good value at 10 are Fitz, James and Ward. LB Smith and Edmunds. DT Via and Payne. That is all contingent on the expected happening but if for some reason Chubb or Barkley slip they should be the pick. I am really warming up to Ward at 10. That would turn one of our biggest deficiencies over the last few years into an area of strength at a very low cost. Melvin, Conley and Ward in the slot would be a very good combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: The Raiders need both an LT and a RT. And that playoff loss to the Texans proves my point about a QB over a All-Pro LB. I'm not arguing the Raiders don't need an OT. But they don't need to reach in desperation. I like McGlinchey.... but not at 10. He's not a top 10 talent. Trading down, sure. But with the run on QBs, the Raiders will have a top 5 talent likely fall to them. So reaching on a tackle wouldn't be prudent. Again... you're saying reach for an OT. Why not just draft one in round 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, big_palooka said: I'm not arguing the Raiders don't need an OT. But they don't need to reach in desperation. I like McGlinchey.... but not at 10. He's not a top 10 talent. Trading down, sure. But with the run on QBs, the Raiders will have a top 5 talent likely fall to them. So reaching on a tackle wouldn't be prudent. Again... you're saying reach for an OT. Why not just draft one in round 2? I think McGlinchey will be gone at 16 so It’s not much of a reach in my opinion. Because of the depth of the draft you can get a better prospect at DE or LB in the second round then at OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 What do we think of this mock? Round 1 - Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State - Day one starter at slot corner. Round 2 - Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon - Day one starter at RT with a future at LT. Round 3 - Tyquan Lewis, DL, Ohio State - Future base end with inside rush ability. Round 4 - J'Mon Moore, WR, Missouri - Competes for WR3 spot. Upside to replace Jordy. Round 5 - Fred Warner, LB, BYU - Competes for WLB spot. Round 5 - Bo Scarbough, RB, Alabama - Latavius Murray 2.0. Future starter potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I hope we pick up Kalen Ballage if we don't address RB earlier in the draft. I honestly think he has the potential to be better than L. Murray. I've seen him projected around the 3rd and 4th rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 Let's see some Punter prospects boys! I hear Scott from Alabama is a really good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Rich7sena said: What do we think of this mock? Round 1 - Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State - Day one starter at slot corner. Round 2 - Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon - Day one starter at RT with a future at LT. Round 3 - Tyquan Lewis, DL, Ohio State - Future base end with inside rush ability. Round 4 - J'Mon Moore, WR, Missouri - Competes for WR3 spot. Upside to replace Jordy. Round 5 - Fred Warner, LB, BYU - Competes for WLB spot. Round 5 - Bo Scarbough, RB, Alabama - Latavius Murray 2.0. Future starter potential. Love it. Only slight question would be Lewis as I think with Edwards, Carridine and Ward we might be set for base end. I'd perhaps swap it for a DT or edge guy. Still be stoked if we ended up with a haul like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, reddevil said: Love it. Only slight question would be Lewis as I think with Edwards, Carridine and Ward we might be set for base end. I'd perhaps swap it for a DT or edge guy. Still be stoked if we ended up with a haul like that. Edwards might move to 3T and has one year left. Carradine is on a 1 year deal. Ward shouldn't stop us from drafting anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 11 hours ago, Bitty 2.0 said: I think McGlinchey will be gone at 16 so It’s not much of a reach in my opinion. Because of the depth of the draft you can get a better prospect at DE or LB in the second round then at OT. It is a reach, because of the talent that will be there at 10. Again... passing on a potential all-pro defensive player to reach for a RT would not be smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 hours ago, oakdb36 said: Edwards might move to 3T and has one year left. Carradine is on a 1 year deal. Ward shouldn't stop us from drafting anyone. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: It is a reach, because of the talent that will be there at 10. Again... passing on a potential all-pro defensive player to reach for a RT would not be smart. I’ll leave you with Derek Carr’s injuriy history http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/derek-carr/6959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, reddevil said: Good point. @oakdb36 explained the Tyquan Lewis pick well enough but I'll expand a bit on him as a prospect. Coming into the year, Lewis was the forgotten man in OSU's robust defensive line rotation. He and Jalyn Holmes alternated series on defense, but to me it was clear Lewis was the superior player both inside and outside. Lewis has the ability to effectively play on the end on run downs and has good enough bull rush and overall hand use to pressure the quarterback from that spot if need be, but I really like his ability on the inside in long downs. According to PFF, Lewis recorded 6 sacks, 8 hits, and 18 hurries on 247 snaps when lined up inside, making him good enough for 6th in the nation for their pass rush productivity metric on the inside (10.3). For comparison, USC's Rasheem Green (who played inside far more often than Lewis) recorded 8 sacks, 6 hurries, and 27 pressures on 375 interior snaps for an interior pass rush productivity score of 8.7. How he wins is partially explained by his somewhat surprising athletic testing numbers. On the surface, Lewis looks like a stocky, unathletic player who uses polish and leverage to win. During the Senior Bowl, Lewis dispelled the idea of him lacking length by measuring in with nearly 34" arms. At the combine, Lewis showed impressive explosion numbers with a 35 1/2" vertical jump and a 122" broad jump. At his pro day, he continued to impress with a 40-time in the high 4.6s and improved upon his broad jump to around 128". Unfortunately, we won't get his agility numbers this offseason, which is where I still think he might be lacking as a pure edge player. Still, Lewis is impressing more and more as draft season continues. I think a safe comp for him is Vinny Curry or Trey Flowers: a consistent starting presence on a team who's on field impact isn't matched by his production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 12 hours ago, Rich7sena said: What do we think of this mock? Round 1 - Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State - Day one starter at slot corner. Round 2 - Tyrell Crosby, OT, Oregon - Day one starter at RT with a future at LT. Round 3 - Tyquan Lewis, DL, Ohio State - Future base end with inside rush ability. Round 4 - J'Mon Moore, WR, Missouri - Competes for WR3 spot. Upside to replace Jordy. Round 5 - Fred Warner, LB, BYU - Competes for WLB spot. Round 5 - Bo Scarbough, RB, Alabama - Latavius Murray 2.0. Future starter potential. I love Ward at 10. The closer we get to draft day the more I think Ward needs to be the pick. As for the rest of your mock I know we do need a RT but I dont know much about Crosby. It all depends who else is on the board. If any of the DT's slip (Hurst, Bryan, Via, Payne, Phillips) do we take an OT over them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 ^^^ Thanks for the breakdown. He's one (of many) players who I just haven't looked at closely. Don't really know why. I think I've been too fixated on other positions as there aren't that many premier edge players in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bob Dobalina Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 9 hours ago, RaidersAreOne said: Let's see some Punter prospects boys! I hear Scott from Alabama is a really good one. Micheal “Longball” Dixon from Texas. Dude has a lechler type leg. With great accuracy as well. Hope we can grab him with one of our 5th round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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