Ravens sign RG3

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

15 minutes ago, cddolphin said:

What about the potential objective impact on a franchise's ticket sales, merch, etc. I personally believe those fears to be overblown, but for a business owner to ignore a potential impact on his business' bottom line doesn't seem like a reasonable approach. 

Same reasoning why Tebow will get called up to the majors when the Mets are out of playoff contention. It's a business decision, not a baseball decision.

We also have no idea what Kaepernick is demanding contractually at this point. He's earned $43 million so far in his football career, maybe he's not settling for a vet minimum contract? (Granted, Osweiler has made $40 million so far and he just signed a deal worth barely more than the vet minimum).

To your first point: that's entirely reasonable, but something a lot of people just purely ignore in these situations. I think it was actually more simple the first time around for us with Kaepernick -- our coaching/medical staff viewed Flacco's injury as healing better than they anticipated so they didn't see the need to spend the money on him since Flacco wasn't going to miss any time. Certainly though, at this point, owners will weigh the positives and negatives, but if Kaepernick can help you win games, ultimately fans won't care.

To your second point -- Tebow didn't called up last year and the Mets were horrible. There's no reason to believe he's going to be called up this year, either.

To your last point, yeah we have no idea what he's asking for at this point. Literally everything since he's been out of the league has been speculation regarding his asking price. The only seemingly close estimate I've seen is via PFT w/ Mike Florio saying he was asking for $9-$10M/year and that was early last year. So who knows.

[Woz]

On 4/5/2018 at 4:36 AM, SteelKing728 said:

One's draft status shouldn't be placed over the success of the team though.

It is when the team's owner REALLY wants the 2nd overall pick to be the face of his franchise ...

[valkrei]

On 4/4/2018 at 11:24 AM, Darth Pees said:

I'm sure this will make the Kaepernick crowd very happy. We pass on a clearly superior QB for a guy who not only has been out of the league for roughly the same amount of time (actually longer if you account for the time he was out due to injury in 2016), but is objectively worse even when healthy, which is also never.

Whatever, I guess. Maybe he was cheaper. Who knows.

Kap should not exist in this thread.  RG3 was always a better QB.

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

35 minutes ago, valkrei said:

Kap should not exist in this thread.  RG3 was always a better QB.

RG3 is that you?

[Nabbs4u]

One comes with perceived baggage, the other is basically a pile of baggage. Lesser of two evils I guess.

Doubt after the Ray Rice fiasco the FO wants to tempt fate or rock the boat unfortunately with such a polarizing figure.

Kap>>>>>>>>>Bobby

Not even close.

[Leoric]

On 4/4/2018 at 10:01 AM, DontTazeMeBro said:

Before he started kneeling, most people thought Kaepernick flat out sucked(not me btw). Now it’s one of the greatest injustices of our time that he’s not playing football. This is some of the most revisionist **** I’ve ever seen 

I saw him as comparable to a faster, smaller, version of Vince Young. Like you could do worse but you’re offense is very limited based on your QB skill set. 

[valkrei]

15 hours ago, Darth Pees said:

RG3 is that you?

I would like to have his money.  But for real what did Kap ever do in the NFL to be so highly praised?  Talking about football not politics.

[TheChancellor]

11 minutes ago, valkrei said:

I would like to have his money.  But for real what did Kap ever do in the NFL to be so highly praised?  Talking about football not politics.

Nothing beyond being a decent starter for a few years.

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

35 minutes ago, valkrei said:

I would like to have his money.  But for real what did Kap ever do in the NFL to be so highly praised?  Talking about football not politics.

This post has to be satire. There's no way someone seriously would ask this question in the same breath as praising RGIII....

[bzane]

2 hours ago, valkrei said:

I would like to have his money.  But for real what did Kap ever do in the NFL to be so highly praised?  Talking about football not politics.

Well, limiting this to football, as you correctly suggest, Kaepernick in his first year as the starter, 2012, led the 49ers to the Super Bowl.

In his second year as the starter, he took them to the NFC Championship game.

Here are his stats:

Colin Kaepernick  

Height: 6-4   Weight: 230   Age: 30

Born: 11/3/1987 Milwaukee , WI 

College: Nevada

Experience: 6 Seasons

TDS

72

INT

30

YDS

12,271

RTG

88.9

 

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PASSING
Year	Team	G	Att	Comp	Pct	Att/G	Yds	Avg	Yds/G	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	20+	40+	Sck	SckY	Rate
2016	San Francisco 49ers	12	331	196	59.2	27.6	2,241	6.8	186.8	16	4.8	4	1.2	65T	25	5	36	207	90.7
2015	San Francisco 49ers	9	244	144	59.0	27.1	1,615	6.6	179.4	6	2.5	5	2.0	76T	19	7	28	166	78.5
2014	San Francisco 49ers	16	478	289	60.5	29.9	3,369	7.0	210.6	19	4.0	10	2.1	80T	48	5	52	344	86.4
2013	San Francisco 49ers	16	416	243	58.4	26.0	3,197	7.7	199.8	21	5.0	8	1.9	64T	46	10	39	231	91.6
2012	San Francisco 49ers	13	218	136	62.4	16.8	1,814	8.3	139.5	10	4.6	3	1.4	57	32	4	16	112	98.3
2011	San Francisco 49ers	3	5	3	60.0	1.7	35	7.0	11.7	0	0.0	0	0.0	19	0	0	0	0	81.2
TOTAL		69	1,692	1,011	59.8	24.5	12,271	7.3	177.8	72	4.3	30	1.8	80	170	31	171	1,060	88.9

 

RUSHING
Year	Team	G	Att	Att/G	Yds	Avg	Yds/G	TD	Lng	1st	1st%	20+	40+	FUM
2016	San Francisco 49ers	12	69	5.8	468	6.8	39.0	2	30	28	40.6	3	0	2
2015	San Francisco 49ers	9	45	5.0	256	5.7	28.4	1	15	13	28.9	0	0	4
2014	San Francisco 49ers	16	104	6.5	639	6.1	39.9	1	90T	28	26.9	7	1	5
2013	San Francisco 49ers	16	92	5.8	524	5.7	32.8	4	28	28	30.4	4	0	3
2012	San Francisco 49ers	13	63	4.8	415	6.6	31.9	5	50T	18	28.6	3	2	7
2011	San Francisco 49ers	3	2	0.7	-2	-1.0	-0.7	0	-1	0	0.0	0	0	0
TOTAL		69	375	5.4	2,300	6.1	33.3	13	90	115	30.7	17	3	21

 

 

[sp6488]

20 hours ago, cddolphin said:

What about the potential objective impact on a franchise's ticket sales, merch, etc. I personally believe those fears to be overblown, but for a business owner to ignore a potential impact on his business' bottom line doesn't seem like a reasonable approach. 

Same reasoning why Tebow will get called up to the majors when the Mets are out of playoff contention. It's a business decision, not a baseball decision.

We also have no idea what Kaepernick is demanding contractually at this point. He's earned $43 million so far in his football career, maybe he's not settling for a vet minimum contract? (Granted, Osweiler has made $40 million so far and he just signed a deal worth barely more than the vet minimum).

Honestly, the opportunity cost to Kaepernick may be too high to sign on for vet minimum.  His personal brand/cache evaporates to some degree if he gets signed, particularly if he ends up playing and not doing well.  

Also, people seem to keep glossing over the fact that he's currently suing the league.  No owner wants to look like they're "giving in" at this point.  My guess is that they are going to litigate this to send a message (not to anyone in particular, just that they don't cave to legal pressure).

[sp6488]

On 4/5/2018 at 2:52 AM, SteelKing728 said:

I really don't want to make this a Kirk Cousins thread, but I must ask:

When RG3 was clearly struggling going into his 2nd and 3rd years, why wasn't Cousins given a chance? What did the staff have against him, or for Griffin? 

IMO this question works off some hindsight.  Yes, we know now that RG3 fell apart in those seasons, but that wasn't known prospectively at the time.  Also, it's not just trying to make the #2 overall pick work, as has been suggested in this thread.  He had an electric rookie season  in which he won RotY.  It's pretty reasonable to think he would be the guy moving forward at the time.

[Nabbs4u]

10 hours ago, TheChancellor said:

10 hours ago, valkrei said:

I would like to have his money.  But for real what did Kap ever do in the NFL to be so highly praised?  Talking about football not politics.

Nothing beyond being a decent starter for a few years

and almost win a SB? 

 

Better question is what did RGIII ever do after he was given more then a 1/3 of the playbook to work with?

[sp6488]

18 hours ago, Nabbs4u said:

and almost win a SB? 

 

Better question is what did RGIII ever do after he was given more then a 1/3 of the playbook to work with?

Enough that a vet minimum deal to compete to be a backup is fine.

[SteelKing728]

@bzane, wow! Those stats were highly impressive. They left me kneeling!!

"Weez gonna start a revolusin!"

But honestly, at this point I don't know that RG3 or CK are any good anymore.