A TRAIN 89 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Jeezy Fanatic said: Can we discuss how embarrassing it was hearing Gary Clark name every person in our front office though? What a bunch of narcissists It was horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I would love to take Quin Blanding tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MKnight82 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I'd be down for Sweat. We need an athletic edge rusher to develop IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Top 20 players remaining per NFL.com DT Maurice Hurst - 5.94 DT Tim Settle - 5.86 WR Deon Cain - 5.86 TE Ian Thomas - 5.82 S Kyzir White - 5.73 OT Will Richardson - 5.73 DE Da'shawn Hand - 5.73 CB Parry Nickerson - 5.72 OT Desmond Harrison - 5.72 DE Duke Ejiofor - 5.72 DE Jalyn Holmes - 5.71 TE Dalton Schultz - 5.70 WR Daesean Hamilton - 5.70 P Michael Dickson - 5.70 (yes, a punter) G Tyrell Crosby - 5.70 WR Equanimeous St. Brown - 5.69 CB Anthony Averett - 5.69 G Tony Adams - 5.69 DT Foley Fatukasi - 5.68 S Armani Watts - 5.67 As a reminder: Quote 9.00-10 Once-in-lifetime player 8.00-8.99 Perennial All-Pro 7.50-7.99 Future All-Pro 7.00-7.49 Pro Bowl-caliber player 6.50-6.99 Chance to become Pro Bowl-caliber player 6.00-6.49 Should become instant starter 5.50-5.99 Chance to become NFL starter 5.20-5.49 NFL backup or special teams potential 5.01-5.19 Better-than-average chance to make NFL roster 5.00 50-50 Chance to make NFL roster 4.75-4.99 Should be in an NFL training camp 4.50-4.74 Chance to be in an NFL training camp Top 5 by position (bolded players are top 20 overall), excluding FB (we don't bother with), LB (separate from OLB and ILB, only four mentioned and way low value), NT (only one listed and low) and specialists (don't draft them) C Scott Quessenberry - 5.52 Dejon Allen - 5.47 Bradley Bozeman - 5.36 Will Clapp - 5.30 Brian Allen - 5.26 CB Parry Nickerson - 5.72 Anthony Averett - 5.69 Holton Hill - 5.63 D.J. Reed - 5.60 J.C Jackson - 5.60 DE Da'shawn Hand - 5.73 Duke Ejiofor - 5.72 Jalyn Holmes - 5.71 Kentavius Street - 5.48 Marcell Frazier - 5.48 DT Maurice Hurst - 5.94 Tim Settle - 5.86 Foley Fatukasi - 5.68 Andrew Brown - 5.58 Kendrick Norton - 5.55 EDGE Josh Sweat - 5.59 Jeff Holland - 5.56 Marquis Hayes - 5.55 Dorance Armstrong - 5.55 Ogbonnia Okoronkwo - 5.53 G Tyler Crosby - 5.70 Tony Adams - 5.69 Wyatt Teller - 5.54 Jamil Demby - 5.52 Colby Gossett - 5.49 ILB Tegray Scales - 5.63 Micah Kiser - 5.59 Josey Jewell - 5.45 Genard Avery - 5.42 Andre Smith - 5.39 OLB Shaquem Griffin - 5.43 Skai Moore - 5.24 Matthew Thomas - 5.16 Jacob Pugh - 4.99 Chris Covington - 4.97 OT Will Richardson - 5.73 Desmond Harrison - 5.72 Jamarco Jones - 5.66 Jaryd Jones-Smith - 5.57 Matt Pryor - 5.45 QB Mike White - 5.60 Luke Falk - 5.59 Kyle Lauletta - 5.31 Riley Ferguson - 5.15 Kurt Benkert - 5.00 RB John Kelly - 5.55 Nyheim Hines - 5.52 Bo Scarborough - 5.50 Dimitri Flowers - 5.50 Mark Walton - 5.47 S Kyzir White - 5.73 Armani Watts - 5.67 Godwin Igwebuike - 5.63 Marcus Allen - 5.60 Siran Neal - 5.46 TE Ian Thomas - 5.82 Dalton Schultz - 5.70 Durham Smythe - 5.60 Chris Herndon - 5.57 Tyler Conklin - 5.50 WR Deon Cain - 5.86 Daesean Hamilton - 5.70 Equanimeous St. Brown - 5.69 Keke Coutee - 5.62 Antonio Callaway - 5.60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Based on those scores, there are four players that are significantly better than the rest of what's available: Maurice Hurst, Tim Settle, Deon Cain, and Ian Thomas. Hurst is slipping due to his heart murmur. Settle would make a lot of sense here had the Redskins not drafted Payne. So, purely from a value perspective, Cain and Thomas? Yes, they still need a left guard (I'm a bit dubious of moving Nsekhe inside and it would likely only be a short term gain due to Ty's age) so a guy like Crosby makes sense. Also could look to a corner. Side note that perhaps only interests me: as it stands right now, the Redskins have only two of their natural picks in this entire draft: 13, and 231 (their 7th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 I still don’t understand why we gave up one of our fifth round picks when we dealt back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 1 hour ago, lavar703 said: I know you said that but Hogan sucks. Rudolph hasn't had the chance to suck yet. We already know what Colt and Hogan are. They had a chance to improve the most important position on the team and future protect it. They chose to take a back up OL instead. I'm not mad but acting like we can't take a QB because of Hogan is absolutely ridiculous. You obviously miss the point. Get over yourself and look at this from a business standpoint. You know we are comfortable going into the season with 2 QBs on the active roster. We traded for a 3rd QB. We traded for our starting QB. We have our starter locked up for LONGER than any rookie contract. Why would you draft a project QB when you already did that with Hogan? it just doesn’t make any sense. No reason to get upset they didn’t draft a QB when it logically doesn’t make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Tyler Crosby would have a great chance to play at left guard Day 1. Would be an excellent 4th round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 For me if Hurst is available by the time we pick, you draft him. When he gets healthy he will be the perfect rotation guy with Allen and Ioanidis. We could also cut our dead weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: You obviously miss the point. Get over yourself and look at this from a business standpoint. You know we are comfortable going into the season with 2 QBs on the active roster. We traded for a 3rd QB. We traded for our starting QB. We have our starter locked up for LONGER than any rookie contract. Why would you draft a project QB when you already did that with Hogan? it just doesn’t make any sense. No reason to get upset they didn’t draft a QB when it logically doesn’t make sense. I don’t need to “get over myself”. Hogan is camp fodder, nothing more. The Browns literally gave him away. Colt is terrible. If Smith goes down we have nothing. It would be absolutely no different than what we did when we took Kirk. It’s an actual insurance policy. If you take Rudolph and sit him for three years and then cut Smith to get out of his contract, you have a 25-year old developed QB with a year left on his contract. I’m not mad they didn’t take him, I just think it would’ve been a better pick than what we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Slappy Mc said: For me if Hurst is available by the time we pick, you draft him. When he gets healthy he will be the perfect rotation guy with Allen and Ioanidis. We could also cut our dead weight. He doesn't fit our 3-4 Defense at all, he'd be limited to nickle and dime sets only. He's a good pass rusher though, it wouldn't be a terrible pick but I think we could use some more depth in the secondary personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Woz said: Based on those scores, there are four players that are significantly better than the rest of what's available: Maurice Hurst, Tim Settle, Deon Cain, and Ian Thomas. Hurst is slipping due to his heart murmur. Settle would make a lot of sense here had the Redskins not drafted Payne. So, purely from a value perspective, Cain and Thomas? Yes, they still need a left guard (I'm a bit dubious of moving Nsekhe inside and it would likely only be a short term gain due to Ty's age) so a guy like Crosby makes sense. Also could look to a corner. Side note that perhaps only interests me: as it stands right now, the Redskins have only two of their natural picks in this entire draft: 13, and 231 (their 7th). Thanks Woz, awesome list you put together. Here is my big board for our next pick: 1. Maurice Hurst, I just don’t know how you pass on him in round 4. As a situational interior pass rusher he’d be amazing. 2. Da’Shawn Hand, again, late 1st or 2nd round talent, hard to pass on him. Also has chemistry w/ Allen & Payne. 3. Deon Cain, he’s a stud and unlike the other stud wr available, he doesn’t have off the field issues. 4. Kyzir White, he’ll be a special teams demon, great depth and can take over for Swearinger eventually. 5. Parry Nickerson - we could use more young depth at corner developing behind Norman and Scandrick 6. Anthony Averett - “ 7. Tim Settle, more beef in the middle rotating w/ Payne can’t hurt 8. Crosby - it goes w/o saying that we need more talent/better competition at guard beyond Scherff. 9. Tony Adams - “ 10. Daesean Hamilton - Mark Bullock says he’s one of the best route runners in the draft, I trust Mark as much as anyone 11. Equanimeous St. Brown - you can’t go wrong with enormous size, athletic ability and good hands at WR. As someone else said he’s a prototypical Gruden type WR. Gruden likes his wrs big and athletic like Doctson. 12. Amari Watts - a pure FS, we need depth behind Nicholson. Hopefully Nicholson stays healthy this year but we can’t expect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I still don’t understand why we gave up one of our fifth round picks when we dealt back? We moved back yes and got a late second, but we also got the 10th pick in the 3rd which is worth more than we’d usually get by trading back in round 2. We ended up with 3 picks in the top 75, which we wouldn’t have had even if we hadn’t traded for Alex Smith. Just think about it for a second. We just turned our 3rd we lost in the Alex Smith trade into a higher 3rd round selection than what would’ve been our natural pick and still got a starting running back. Then, we drafted an OT who could develop into Trent Williams’ eventual replacement in 4 years or so. Sounds like a good trade to me, and a great draft so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I don’t need to “get over myself”. Hogan is camp fodder, nothing more. The Browns literally gave him away. Colt is terrible. If Smith goes down we have nothing. It would be absolutely no different than what we did when we took Kirk. It’s an actual insurance policy. If you take Rudolph and sit him for three years and then cut Smith to get out of his contract, you have a 25-year old developed QB with a year left on his contract. I’m not mad they didn’t take him, I just think it would’ve been a better pick than what we got. But you don’t want players sitting, or is that only for non-QBs? Colt is not terrible, he’s not great, but surely capable of leading the team to some victories especially if our running game and D are improved if he had to. For all we know Rudolph is the next Brandon Weedon and a bust qb from OK St which does run a very, very simple passing system. Hogan isn’t camp fodder, he has some talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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