game3525 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, EL Guapo said: Current odds to win Super Bowl New England Patriots 6/1 Los Angeles Rams 10/1 Minnesota Vikings 10/1 Philadelphia Eagles 10/1 Green Bay Packers 12/1 Pittsburgh Steelers 12/1 San Francisco 49ers 14/1 Houston Texans 16/1 Atlanta Falcons 20/1 Jacksonville Jaguars 20/1 Los Angeles Chargers 20/1 New Orleans Saints 20/1 Oakland Raiders 25/1 Dallas Cowboys 28/1 Seattle Seahawks 28/1 Baltimore Ravens 33/1 Carolina Panthers 33/1 Denver Broncos 33/1 Kansas City Chiefs 33/1 New York Giants 33/1 Indianapolis Colts 40/1 Tennessee Titans 40/1 Detroit Lions 50/1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 50/1 Washington Redskins 66/1 Arizona Cardinals 80/1 Chicago Bears 80/1 Cincinnati Bengals 80/1 Cleveland Browns 80/1 Buffalo Bills 100/1 Miami Dolphins 100/1 New York Jets 100/1 NO at 20/1 is stealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I know they have Bortles but 20/1 with that defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, SBLIII said: I know they have Bortles but 20/1 with that defense? I am high on the Jags, but I get why Vegas is wary of them. -Defensive regression -First place schedule -Questionable QB. Granted, them being behind the 49ers and Texans is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, EL Guapo said: Buffalo Bills 100/1 Miami Dolphins 100/1 New York Jets 100/1 AFC LEAST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 I don't know how you give the 49ers a better chance than the Saints in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renndawg37 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 Texans are the most overrated team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 17 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: Everything that you just said about Saquon was also said about Richardson, Reggie, Kijana(sp?) and about a half-dozen other RB's over the last 15-20 years(Penn state RB's seem to be a trend here...). It seems like every few years we hear about how X RB who is supposed to take over the world and become the next LT only to fall on their faces faster than they were hyped. Maaan listen, I have spent enough time over the last 6 months or so going back and forth with Saquon fans about him on other outlets that it has become tiresome at this point. So tiresome that I am no longer willing to spend any more time on it after this (and honestly, I am only doing this much because I don't use this particular platform for draft/college talk). All I will say to you and all of his fans from this moment on is, watch and see. If I'm wrong......I will gladly eat that. But I also expect the same energy from those who have been advocating for months now about "how special he is" if/when he falls. No, I'm not a big fan of taking a RB early but I also don't think that I am as fixated on that particular aspect as many others seem to be. However that is not the only reason for my opinion on him. I'm all for taking a RB early, but only IF said player actually looks the part of a TRUE special back (not one who is only manufactured as such by the media) and more importantly, fits the offensive scheme. Saquon checks off on the scheme part. He is a perfect fit for Shurmar/Shula's offense. In fact, there isn't a better team in the league for him imo(see Payton/Bush) and so I can see and understand why the Giants took him as early as they did, and that alone is a plus for him in my book. That said, he is not a special player and is nowhere near worthy of a #2 pick, IMO. Which brings me to the Trent Richardson comparison. @Danger , please don't be like most others who try to pretend now as if you were in the minority and saw Richardson being a bust all along using hindsight like I have seen SO MANY others do since then. Or pulling the "I thought he would OK but not great" card as a scapegoat-slash-"I was only partly wrong". 99% of the nation had him billed as a "generational, do-it-all player" - so again please don't pretned now as if you were in the 1%. I'm not trying to call you out here man but there were very, VERY few that saw him as a bust at the time and judging by your "Richardson was stiff" comment (which is wrong) leads me to believe that you're now trying to say that you were, in fact, part of that very small group of individuals. Anyways, onto the comparison. I was big on Richardson UNTIL he missed the first pro day due to "injury" and that was an immediate red flag to me because there was obviously something about his him that he was trying to avoid showing (which he inadvertently did so later on) but he knew that the hype surrounding him was enough to patch over this and not affect his draft status at the time. So in the end, it worked out for him in that aspect. Up to that point though, I was all-in on him because he had the two things that I always look at in the highest regards when it comes to running-backs; his ability to take on first contact at the LOS through the middle gaps(where most run plays are designed to go) and his ability to improvise on those runs when the initial first read hole closes up before he could reach it (this tells me whether or not he is simply just a beneficiary of good play-calling and good OL play). Saquon does not have this. He benefited a lot from his OL and play-calling where defenses had to respect and adapt to Sorley's(intentional SP?) first-run mentality. He goes down on first contact through the gaps and does not improvise well at all against defenses who are good at containing the edges(see the OS game for a great example) which severely limits his ability as a RB. When he sees that the first hole is closed up. He immediately looks to take it the outside but when he sees the pre-snap freezes. His 3 mainstays (but is not necessarily limited to) are on the outside, in the open-field and his ability at the 2nd level where he can use his shiftiness to make players miss. But none of these things are going fix two of his major issues that he is going to face at the NFL level and especially not with the OL that the Giants have right now. IMO, Saquon's versatility and explosiveness as a RUNNER(not a RB) could be a very good situational back in ANY offense that takes the RB by committee approach but he is not a good fit to be a workhorse as an every down back. He is the hindsight version of Reggie Bush. Remember what I said above about the Giants offensive scheme being a good fit for him.........just watch and see. Go back and watch and really pay attention to Shurmar's play calling before rookie RB Cook got injured and then compare that to the remainder of the season without him and you will see what. This is the ranting of a crazy person. And the bolded... come on dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 6 hours ago, minutemancl said: This is the ranting of a crazy person. And the bolded... come on dude. I'm sure that your opinion has absolutely nothing at all to do with you being a Giants fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 AFC East: 1. Patriots* 2. Dolphins 3. Jets 4. Bills AFC North: 1. Steelers* 2. Ravens* 3. Bengals 4. Browns AFC South: 1. Texans* 2. Jaguars 3. Colts 4. Titans AFC West: 1. Chargers* 2. Broncos* 3. Raiders 4. Chiefs NFC East: 1. Eagles* 2. Redskins 3. Cowboys 4. Giants NFC North: 1. Packers* 2. Vikings* 3. Bears 4. Lions NFC South: 1. Saints* 2. Panthers* 3. Falcons 4. Buccaneers NFC West: 1. 49ers* 2. Seahawks 3. Cardinals 4. Rams Most Valuable Player: Russell Wilson Offensive Player of the Year: Tom Brady Defensive Player of the Year: Khalil Mack Offensive Rookie of the Year: DJ Moore Defensive Rookie of the Year: Bradley Chubb Comeback Player of the Year: Aaron Rodgers Coach of the Year: Kyle Shannahan AFC Championship Game: Patriots/Steelers NFC Championship Game: Eagles/Saints Super Bowl: Patriots/Saints Super Bowl Champs: Patriots Super Bowl MVP: Rob Gronkowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shylo3716 Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 hours ago, DoleINGout said: AFC East: 1. Patriots* 2. Dolphins 3. Jets 4. Bills AFC North: 1. Steelers* 2. Ravens* 3. Bengals 4. Browns AFC South: 1. Texans* 2. Jaguars 3. Colts 4. Titans AFC West: 1. Chargers* 2. Broncos* 3. Raiders 4. Chiefs NFC East: 1. Eagles* 2. Redskins 3. Cowboys 4. Giants NFC North: 1. Packers* 2. Vikings* 3. Bears 4. Lions NFC South: 1. Saints* 2. Panthers* 3. Falcons 4. Buccaneers NFC West: 1. 49ers* 2. Seahawks 3. Cardinals 4. Rams Most Valuable Player: Russell Wilson Offensive Player of the Year: Tom Brady Defensive Player of the Year: Khalil Mack Offensive Rookie of the Year: DJ Moore Defensive Rookie of the Year: Bradley Chubb Comeback Player of the Year: Aaron Rodgers Coach of the Year: Kyle Shannahan AFC Championship Game: Patriots/Steelers NFC Championship Game: Eagles/Saints Super Bowl: Patriots/Saints Super Bowl Champs: Patriots Super Bowl MVP: Rob Gronkowski Who gets the #1 Overall Pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Shylo3716 said: Who gets the #1 Overall Pick? Bills Then the Jets, Colts, Lions, Giants, Rams, Browns, Titans, Chiefs, and Buccaneers make up the rest of the top ten picks in the '19 NFL Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 10 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: I'm sure that your opinion has absolutely nothing at all to do with you being a Giants fan. Penn State's offensive line has been by far their weakest link in Franklin's entire tenure. Trust me, it's pedestrian at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 10 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: I'm sure that your opinion has absolutely nothing at all to do with you being a Giants fan. I've been on the Barkley bandwagon for months. That said, I based, and do base, my admittedly amateur evaluations off of real tape of a player, none of which backs up what you said. There are legitimate negatives and questions about Barkley as a prospect, as there are for any prospect. There's not many, but there are some. Use those if you want to defend your point that Barkley isn't good. Dont talk about how he benefitted from his offensive line, or Mcsorley's running, or go off on a long tangent about Trent Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 4/29/2018 at 3:30 PM, ronjon1990 said: AFC East: 1. Buffalo 2. Miami 3. New England 4. New York What Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renndawg37 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 12 hours ago, DoleINGout said: AFC East: 1. Patriots* 2. Dolphins 3. Jets 4. Bills AFC North: 1. Steelers* 2. Ravens* 3. Bengals 4. Browns AFC South: 1. Texans* 2. Jaguars 3. Colts 4. Titans AFC West: 1. Chargers* 2. Broncos* 3. Raiders 4. Chiefs NFC East: 1. Eagles* 2. Redskins 3. Cowboys 4. Giants NFC North: 1. Packers* 2. Vikings* 3. Bears 4. Lions NFC South: 1. Saints* 2. Panthers* 3. Falcons 4. Buccaneers NFC West: 1. 49ers* 2. Seahawks 3. Cardinals 4. Rams Most Valuable Player: Russell Wilson Offensive Player of the Year: Tom Brady Defensive Player of the Year: Khalil Mack Offensive Rookie of the Year: DJ Moore Defensive Rookie of the Year: Bradley Chubb Comeback Player of the Year: Aaron Rodgers Coach of the Year: Kyle Shannahan AFC Championship Game: Patriots/Steelers NFC Championship Game: Eagles/Saints Super Bowl: Patriots/Saints Super Bowl Champs: Patriots Super Bowl MVP: Rob Gronkowski Even the Colts are getting picked over the Titans now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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