Camp Battles

[StinkySauce]

5 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Why?

He's the best return man on this team not playing real reps on O/D, and he's pretty decent at it. Cobb's too valuable to the O and a little long in the tooth, Alexander's gonna have to learn the defense in one offseason and is also too valuable to the defense. Who else do you have?

It seems I'm inflating some of his errors . . . I guess he hasn't fumbled in the regular season.  He's fast, but he seems to take fair catches at odd places on the field instead of letting the ball go uncontested, or taking the fair catch when he has time to make a return.  He hasn't been given much of a shake as receiver.

[cooters22]

On 5/13/2018 at 11:58 AM, HorizontoZenith said:

Which ones are you looking most forward to watching?

QB - Incumbent backup Bubblegum Hundley battles Deshone Zero Win Kizer.

RB - Is Ty 10 Snaps Montgomery in danger of losing his starting role?  Is Aaron Jones going to prove he deserves the starting spot?  Is Jamaal Williams the most well-rounded, and thus most capable of being the starter?  Will Mays or somebody else put it together? 

TE - Will Kendricks win the second spot by default and lack of any competition? 

WR - Adams, then Cobb, then who?  Allison, Davis, Clark, Pearson, Kumerow, Moore, ESB, MVS, Yancey? 

RT - Bulaga will likely start the season injured, so who takes his spot?  Madison?  Murphy?  Will Spriggs be healthy enough (or good enough)? 

G - Will we sign Evans back, or will McCray, Patrick, Pankey?  Madison?  Amichia?  Taylor has the left side, who has the right? 

DL - You've got Clark, Daniels and Wilkerson.  Then you've got Looney, Lowry and Adams. 

ILB - Martinez figures to be on the field most here.  Who battles for 1st, 2nd, 3rd down snaps?  Does Ryan have the edge in this competition due to inexperience?  Will Burks do enough to take 1st/2nd down snaps from Ryan, or will he be a passing situation substitute?  Will Jones continue working in this role? 

EDGE - Matthews and Perry.  Both have durability concerns.  Who steps in during those scenarios?  Does Fackrell decide to give a Fack?  Is Biegel ready to turn heads?  Odom?  Gilbert?  Veteran insurance? 

CB - This position was handed to players in recent years due to default and no better options.  Now it seems every role is up for grabs.  Who is the odd man out of the starting (or semi-starting) lineup?  King, House, Alexander, Jackson and Williams figure to fight for two boundary roles.  Which of the losers work best in the nickel?   Who makes the roster out of Brown, Goodson, Hawkins, Pipkins, Rollins, Waters?

S - Clinton-Dix and Josh Jones.  Who takes the backup spots, or does one of the backups perform well enough to start?  Evans, Brice, Whitehead.  Does one of our corners get looks at safety? 

 

The O-line and receiver battles I think will be the most intense and I think a unlikely canidate will emerge at each position.

[AlexGreen#20]

8 minutes ago, StinkySauce said:

It seems I'm inflating some of his errors . . . I guess he hasn't fumbled in the regular season.  He's fast, but he seems to take fair catches at odd places on the field instead of letting the ball go uncontested, or taking the fair catch when he has time to make a return.  He hasn't been given much of a shake as receiver.

No question he makes some dumb decisions at times. 

But, you hope he learns from his mistakes and stops making those dumb decisions with reps to improve. 2018 will only be his 3rd year in the league. Zook should be going over every return he had this year and drilling him all camp long. 

 

[Hands]

I think Amichia will be a dark horse winner for that RG spot and Murphy will be healthy RT that starts the first game. WRs are a big question mark, but have a comfortable feeling about the Packer's Edge rushers.... 

[ThatJerkDave]

4 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said:

A couple of weird comps there. Leader already mentioned Brice vs Jones. There is also Oren Burks/Jake Ryan. Maybe you see it different to me, but Ryan is the most important guy when it's a run play, Burks' forte is pass coverage - both should make the roster, no ?

 

Brice vs Jones and Burks vs Ryan are for starting spots.  I fully expect all four to make the team and play quite a bit.  

 

I am also interested to see who wins the starting RG spot.  I think the ideal situation there is that Cole Madison hits the ground running and McCray picks up where he was last season and becomes the super-sub.  I won't rule out a Jarhi Evans return until he signs somewhere.

 

 

[OneTwoSixFive]

5 hours ago, DavidatMIZZOU said:

Brice vs Jones and Burks vs Ryan are for starting spots.  I fully expect all four to make the team and play quite a bit.  

 

I am also interested to see who wins the starting RG spot.  I think the ideal situation there is that Cole Madison hits the ground running and McCray picks up where he was last season and becomes the super-sub.  I won't rule out a Jarhi Evans return until he signs somewhere.

 

 

Ok. I was thinking camp battle meant for a roster spot. You were thinking the battle is about who gets more playing time. I see where you are now.

[VegasDan]

11 hours ago, StinkySauce said:

It seems I'm inflating some of his errors . . . I guess he hasn't fumbled in the regular season.  He's fast, but he seems to take fair catches at odd places on the field instead of letting the ball go uncontested, or taking the fair catch when he has time to make a return.  He hasn't been given much of a shake as receiver.

There is a simple rule, if its within the 10, let it go. Beyond the 10, don't let it hit the ground. It seems to me, Davis violated this rule multiple times, sometimes in the same game. Maybe they are telling him a different rule, but if not, he isn't very good at following directions.

Davis has very impressive physical gifts and great hands. On paper he looks special. He has had great QBs in college and now in GB. I cant figure out why he has never clicked as a WR.

 

I think maybe the punt return flubs and lack of Wr production are related to a root cause. Maybe he just isn't football smart to learn and follow directions or patterns/plays.

[Leader]

30 minutes ago, VegasDan said:

There is a simple rule, if its within the 10, let it go. Beyond the 10, don't let it hit the ground. It seems to me, Davis violated this rule multiple times, sometimes in the same game. Maybe they are telling him a different rule, but if not, he isn't very good at following directions. Davis has very impressive physical gifts and great hands. On paper he looks special. He has had great QBs in college and now in GB. I cant figure out why he has never clicked as a WR. I think maybe the punt return flubs and lack of Wr production are related to a root cause. Maybe he just isn't football smart to learn and follow directions or patterns/plays.

I agree. A simple "yardline" guideline could/should have been imposed. Its not rocket science. Pretty much "punt returning 101" IMO. 

In Davis's case, I'm hopeful for two things : this fair catch matter gets ironed out (because once the balls in his hands and he's heading up field, he produces positive yards for us) - and - he up his game on the WR side of things. I continue to hope he'd get more reception options over the middle (as opposed to pressed against a sideline) as that would afford him opportunity to "take / make an angle" (after reception) on a DB and try to find a seam to run past him. He's a third year guy with skills. Hopefully he's honed & improved those skills to both withstand the comp from elsewhere on the roster - and help the team succeed in 2018.

I dont want Alexander returning anything but INTs for TDs. He's too important to the defense IMO - and something of a specialist (as I dont believe he could make a living as a boundary CB because he's so slight) to sacrifice to potential injury on STs. I want a healthy Alexander shutting down the slot WR all season long.   

[StinkySauce]

20 minutes ago, VegasDan said:

There is a simple rule, if its within the 10, let it go. Beyond the 10, don't let it hit the ground. It seems to me, Davis violated this rule multiple times, sometimes in the same game. Maybe they are telling him a different rule, but if not, he isn't very good at following directions.

Davis has very impressive physical gifts and great hands. On paper he looks special. He has had great QBs in college and now in GB. I cant figure out why he has never clicked as a WR.

 

I think maybe the punt return flubs and lack of Wr production are related to a root cause. Maybe he just isn't football smart to learn and follow directions or patterns/plays.

12 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

No question he makes some dumb decisions at times. 

But, you hope he learns from his mistakes and stops making those dumb decisions with reps to improve. 2018 will only be his 3rd year in the league. Zook should be going over every return he had this year and drilling him all camp long. 

 

If I were a coach, I'd want his speed and hops on my team and would do anything I could to find some way for him to be productive (read: special teams) while he was learning route trees, game speed, etc.  But IMO returning punts requires a poise and field awareness and fearlessness even more than it requires speed.  I don't know if Davis lacks those abilities but he always seems so nervous and out of control.

Whenever he gets the ball in space, though, I'm thinking he's even money to make a big play.  

Cobb has the skills to return punts.  I'm sure he'd rather take his chances catching Rodgers' passes and the paycheck that goes with it, but having Cobb available gives the Packers some flexibility when they make their WR cuts.  Jaire Alexander can return punts, too.  We're going to have to stash some of our new guys on the practice squad, but I have a feeling the WRs we drafted this year will get scooped first.

I'd love to see Davis carve out productive space on the final 53.

 

 

[vegas492]

13 hours ago, Hands said:

I think Amichia will be a dark horse winner for that RG spot and Murphy will be healthy RT that starts the first game. WRs are a big question mark, but have a comfortable feeling about the Packer's Edge rushers.... 

Internet gentleman's wager...I'll take McCray at RG and Madison at RT.  

[ThatJerkDave]

1 hour ago, vegas492 said:

Internet gentleman's wager...I'll take McCray at RG and Madison at RT.  

Internet scoundrel's wager... I will take the same but switch the player's positions.

[OneTwoSixFive]

12 minutes ago, DavidatMIZZOU said:

Internet scoundrel's wager... I will take the same but switch the player's positions.

I'l ltake a 3rd stance.

Week1: McCray (G) and Murphy (OT) 
Week 8: McCray (G) Bulaga (OT)
Week 10: Madison (G) Bulaga (OT)

In this scenario Spriggs has failed to make the jump in year 3. If he did, then sub in Spriggs for Murphy, but this second choice would not count for the £0 (or $0) wager.

[packfanfb]

On 5/14/2018 at 9:06 AM, Joe said:

He had a great rookie year until he got injured and that's been the case. If he gets hurt in TC, I'm sure he'll be cut. He's reliable in the slot when he's healthy.

When I hear "Rollins" and "slot" in the same sentence I just direct people to the Dallas game and his coverage against Beasley. Ranks up there with the worst I've ever seen. Please no Rollins in the slot. 

[jleisher]

WR for me, I still think the Packers aren't done here or at TE.  With that said, I think it will be #1 Adams, #2 Cobb, #3 ESB, #4 Moore, #5 Allison and #6 MVS.  That could all change if they reach out for a veteran player released or still unsigned.

[jleisher]

6 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said:

I'l ltake a 3rd stance.

Week1: McCray (G) and Murphy (OT) 
Week 8: McCray (G) Bulaga (OT)
Week 10: Madison (G) Bulaga (OT)

In this scenario Spriggs has failed to make the jump in year 3. If he did, then sub in Spriggs for Murphy, but this second choice would not count for the £0 (or $0) wager.

Week 10 could be Bulaga (RG) and Madison at (RT)?  Don't be surprised if Spriggs isn't let go if he has a lackluster mini camp.