JaguarCrazy2832 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 11 hours ago, jvmillion83 said: Jerry needs to relinquish control. Also you have Dak & Zeke in their best years. Provide them with some weapons. Especially while they are cheap on rookie deals. What about firing JG? I dont hate the man but what he has done the last 8 years or however long its been is very underwhelming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 8 hours ago, ninjapirate said: i honestly dont think it's likely to ever happen. Think once Carson and Doug go parity will rule the league. Fify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmillion83 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 36 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Especially while they are cheap on rookie deals. What about firing JG? I dont hate the man but what he has done the last 8 years or however long its been is very underwhelming I thought firing JG would be an almost obvious call but you're correct. He hasn't deserved to be around this long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 New GM, new coach, get more talent on the offensive side of the ball, more depth on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crickett Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Short answer is they don't. You need to have a hall of fame caliber coach, dupe another team into the literal most lopsided trade in NFL history and then be able to use the picks from that trade to draft multiple hall of famers. Maybe add a positional GOAT or two. Either that or hire the GOAT coach and pair him with the GOAT quarterback. In the last thirty years, we've had three "dynasties" and those are the only two methods any of them formed. Even if they did everything you all said, get rid of Jerry, get rid of Jason Garrett, get more talent, etc, that's not going to make them a dynasty. That's at best (and again, how often does the best case scenario happen in the NFL) going to make a Superbowl contender, maybe even a Superbowl winner. Winning a Lombardi trophy makes you a champion, it doesn't make you a dynasty. The Cowboys had their dynasty, they're not getting another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 The Cowboys are an accident waiting to happen. I dont know if its a Jerry Jones issue or a Jason Garrett issue. If I had to guess I would say that its a Jerry Jones issue. Like he needs to be saved from himself. Thankfully he has a son who tries to do that. Just think if it wasnt for his son, the Cowboys wouldve drafted Manziel rather than Martin. Jerry said he regretted not trading up to get Lynch. He also wanted Cook. Luck at it that Dak fell into their lap. So its either the son or luck happening lately to even make the Cowboys relevant. So in my opinion, Jerry is the issue. They had a chance to get Earl Thomas for a 2nd round pick and Jerry didnt pull the trigger on it. They lost Witten during the draft and didnt get a tight of significance. They saw the Eagles take Goedert which the Cowboys desperately needed. Like literally they are watching the Eagles build a powerhouse meanwhile all the Cowboys management can say is they love their roster, meanwhile their receiving group is weak, questions in the secondary, I still am wondering about the coaching staff, and dont get me started about every single time I turn on the sports news a Cowboy is being suspended or getting into trouble for some reason. Thats not a recipe for getting back to the Cowboys glory days. Thats a recipe for an accident waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 15 hours ago, Jimmy Austin said: Probably when Eyes Wide Shut decides to step down. Lmao glanced at this and though it said the part in bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 10 hours ago, EaglesPeteC said: Time travel back to the 90's Or hold the families of Pederson and your GM and make them work for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Crickett said: Short answer is they don't. You need to have a hall of fame caliber coach, dupe another team into the literal most lopsided trade in NFL history and then be able to use the picks from that trade to draft multiple hall of famers. Maybe add a positional GOAT or two. Either that or hire the GOAT coach and pair him with the GOAT quarterback. In the last thirty years, we've had three "dynasties" and those are the only two methods any of them formed. Even if they did everything you all said, get rid of Jerry, get rid of Jason Garrett, get more talent, etc, that's not going to make them a dynasty. That's at best (and again, how often does the best case scenario happen in the NFL) going to make a Superbowl contender, maybe even a Superbowl winner. Winning a Lombardi trophy makes you a champion, it doesn't make you a dynasty. The Cowboys had their dynasty, they're not getting another one. Technically they've had 2. But the Steelers had the better track record in the 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Get Jimmy Johnson back and get their defense back. It's not about QB, it's certainly not about a receiver and it's not about a running back. It's about defense. Troy Aikman had 165 career touchdowns and 141 career interceptions. He is living breathing proof that Super Bowls aren't from quarterbacks, they're from defense. The Cowboys didn't win three Super Bowls because of Aikman or Smith or their offense. Those Super Bowl seasons, the Cowboys defense allowed: 15.6 points per playoff game. 17 points per playoff game. 18 points per playoff game. It's defense. It's always been defense. It will always be defense. It's so frustrating to see people constantly act like there's some mystery formula. It's not a mystery. People wonder how Nick Foles beat the Patriots. People wonder how Mark Rypien beat the Bills. It's defense. The Redskins intercepted Jim Kelly 4 times in that Super Bowl and allowed 7 points and 10 points in the two games to get to the Super Bowl. Not Starr, not Favre, not Manning, not Manning, not Aikman, not Bradshaw, not Roethlisberger, not Emmit Smith, not Tom Brady, not Aaron Rodgers... There has time and time and time again been examples of crap to okay quarterbacks winning Super Bowls with good defenses, but there has never in the history of the NFL been a case of a quarterback winning a Super Bowl without a good defense. In fact, for the past 20 years, there has not been a SINGLE team to win the Super Bowl while allowing more than 19 points average in the playoffs. Not one. How do the Cowboys get back? They get their defense back to a defense that can keep teams under 20 points a game in the playoffs. The first step is getting rid of whoever decided to draft interior offensive linemen in consecutive drafts to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 They've been on the verge of good things from time to time since the 90's though. Their young corps though right now is good and maybe could get them back into contendership as well. Let's see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Outpost31 said: Get Jimmy Johnson back and get their defense back. It's not about QB, it's certainly not about a receiver and it's not about a running back. It's about defense. Troy Aikman had 165 career touchdowns and 141 career interceptions. He is living breathing proof that Super Bowls aren't from quarterbacks, they're from defense. The Cowboys didn't win three Super Bowls because of Aikman or Smith or their offense. Those Super Bowl seasons, the Cowboys defense allowed: 15.6 points per playoff game. 17 points per playoff game. 18 points per playoff game. It's defense. It's always been defense. It will always be defense. It's so frustrating to see people constantly act like there's some mystery formula. It's not a mystery. People wonder how Nick Foles beat the Patriots. People wonder how Mark Rypien beat the Bills. It's defense. The Redskins intercepted Jim Kelly 4 times in that Super Bowl and allowed 7 points and 10 points in the two games to get to the Super Bowl. Not Starr, not Favre, not Manning, not Manning, not Aikman, not Bradshaw, not Roethlisberger, not Emmit Smith, not Tom Brady, not Aaron Rodgers... There has time and time and time again been examples of crap to okay quarterbacks winning Super Bowls with good defenses, but there has never in the history of the NFL been a case of a quarterback winning a Super Bowl without a good defense. In fact, for the past 20 years, there has not been a SINGLE team to win the Super Bowl while allowing more than 19 points average in the playoffs. Not one. How do the Cowboys get back? They get their defense back to a defense that can keep teams under 20 points a game in the playoffs. The first step is getting rid of whoever decided to draft interior offensive linemen in consecutive drafts to start with. Aikman wasnt much in the regular season but he is one of the most efficient passers when it comes to the playoffs. Not saying your wrong about defense but he was a much better QB then stats indicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Just now, Calvert28 said: Aikman wasnt much in the regular season but he is one of the most efficient passers when it comes to the playoffs. Not saying your wrong about defense but he was a much better QB then stats indicate. His 92 postseason was really good. 8 touchdowns, 0 interceptions. Throughout the rest of his postseason career, he threw 15 touchdowns to 17 interceptions. Adding his 92 season to get a total, he had 23 touchdowns to 17 interceptions in the playoffs. He wasn't that great in the playoffs either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAConrad Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Outpost31 said: Get Jimmy Johnson back and get their defense back. It's not about QB, it's certainly not about a receiver and it's not about a running back. It's about defense. Troy Aikman had 165 career touchdowns and 141 career interceptions. He is living breathing proof that Super Bowls aren't from quarterbacks, they're from defense. The Cowboys didn't win three Super Bowls because of Aikman or Smith or their offense. Those Super Bowl seasons, the Cowboys defense allowed: 15.6 points per playoff game. 17 points per playoff game. 18 points per playoff game. It's defense. It's always been defense. It will always be defense. It's so frustrating to see people constantly act like there's some mystery formula. It's not a mystery. People wonder how Nick Foles beat the Patriots. People wonder how Mark Rypien beat the Bills. It's defense. The Redskins intercepted Jim Kelly 4 times in that Super Bowl and allowed 7 points and 10 points in the two games to get to the Super Bowl. Not Starr, not Favre, not Manning, not Manning, not Aikman, not Bradshaw, not Roethlisberger, not Emmit Smith, not Tom Brady, not Aaron Rodgers... There has time and time and time again been examples of crap to okay quarterbacks winning Super Bowls with good defenses, but there has never in the history of the NFL been a case of a quarterback winning a Super Bowl without a good defense. In fact, for the past 20 years, there has not been a SINGLE team to win the Super Bowl while allowing more than 19 points average in the playoffs. Not one. How do the Cowboys get back? They get their defense back to a defense that can keep teams under 20 points a game in the playoffs. The first step is getting rid of whoever decided to draft interior offensive linemen in consecutive drafts to start with. Ummm aside from the strip sack, our defense got roasted in the SB. Nick Foles was not some Trent Dilfer or 2015 Peyton Manning.....Dude beat the GOAT in a shoot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 2:02 PM, Calvert28 said: Aikman wasnt much in the regular season but he is one of the most efficient passers when it comes to the playoffs. Not saying your wrong about defense but he was a much better QB then stats indicate. Yup. Aikman is a poor example for Dak. Their skillsets are completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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