Bears could be interested in trading too much for Khalil Mack

[Shanedorf]

2 hours ago, JBURGE said:

Doesn't even need to be starting caliber. An NFL caliber 3rd edge who can rotate would make me happy

From michael cohen tweeter:

"All throughout camp, Pettine has shown he’s comfortable using three defensive linemen and only one edge rusher on obvious passing downs"

 

Does this suggest we're all a bit off base on how Petting utilizes his defenders ? If he's only using 1 OLB in pressure situations, then the triad of Perry, Matthews and Gilbert might be closer to "sufficient" than we were used to under the former regime. The other comment Pettine made was in talking about reducing Matthews snaps and "starting at the back ( 3rd down) and working forward" . Fewer early down snaps for Clay

Which would mean Clay is being looked at as more of a pass rush specialist than an every down OLB. That's in sync with PackerRaymonds comments about Clay being a situational guy at this point in his career.

Just some interesting snippets from the recent presser along with cohen's tweet

[JBURGE]

23 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

From michael cohen tweeter:

"All throughout camp, Pettine has shown he’s comfortable using three defensive linemen and only one edge rusher on obvious passing downs"

 

Does this suggest we're all a bit off base on how Petting utilizes his defenders ? If he's only using 1 OLB in pressure situations, then the triad of Perry, Matthews and Gilbert might be closer to "sufficient" than we were used to under the former regime. The other comment Pettine made was in talking about reducing Matthews snaps and "starting at the back ( 3rd down) and working forward" . Fewer early down snaps for Clay

Which would mean Clay is being looked at as more of a pass rush specialist than an every down OLB. That's in sync with PackerRaymonds comments about Clay being a situational guy at this point in his career.

Just some interesting snippets from the recent presser along with cohen's tweet

I'm more than fine with that. I think we all prefer it. But I'd still like to add an NFL edge to rotate in

[PACKRULE]

30 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

From michael cohen tweeter:

"All throughout camp, Pettine has shown he’s comfortable using three defensive linemen and only one edge rusher on obvious passing downs"

 

Does this suggest we're all a bit off base on how Petting utilizes his defenders ? If he's only using 1 OLB in pressure situations, then the triad of Perry, Matthews and Gilbert might be closer to "sufficient" than we were used to under the former regime. The other comment Pettine made was in talking about reducing Matthews snaps and "starting at the back ( 3rd down) and working forward" . Fewer early down snaps for Clay

Which would mean Clay is being looked at as more of a pass rush specialist than an every down OLB. That's in sync with PackerRaymonds comments about Clay being a situational guy at this point in his career.

Just some interesting snippets from the recent presser along with cohen's tweet

Hard to say with it being just PS but it could result in us keeping a greater volume of DL rather than going heavy on OLB? Perry could get snaps inside i doubt it more likely he puts his hand down.

[AlexGreen#20]

33 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

From michael cohen tweeter:

"All throughout camp, Pettine has shown he’s comfortable using three defensive linemen and only one edge rusher on obvious passing downs"

 

Does this suggest we're all a bit off base on how Petting utilizes his defenders ? If he's only using 1 OLB in pressure situations, then the triad of Perry, Matthews and Gilbert might be closer to "sufficient" than we were used to under the former regime. The other comment Pettine made was in talking about reducing Matthews snaps and "starting at the back ( 3rd down) and working forward" . Fewer early down snaps for Clay

Which would mean Clay is being looked at as more of a pass rush specialist than an every down OLB. That's in sync with PackerRaymonds comments about Clay being a situational guy at this point in his career.

Just some interesting snippets from the recent presser along with cohen's tweet

He means Clay playing off ball and moving up as a Blitzer/Rusher. Teams like to bring 5 guys. 

Pettine's will bring 3 DL, an edge guy and an ILB. Clay will play that ILB spot. 

Capers liked to bring 2 DL, 2 edge guys, and an ILB. 

[PACKRULE]

4 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

He means Clay playing off ball and moving up as a Blitzer/Rusher. Teams like to bring 5 guys. 

Pettine's will bring 3 DL, an edge guy and an ILB. Clay will play that ILB spot. 

Capers liked to bring 2 DL, 2 edge guys, and an ILB. 

I don't mind this keeps us heavier in the middle and lets Pettine blitz from anywhere not that Capers couldn't, but he seemed to show blitz to often and to early. Will beat the heck out of Capers Nitro and send 5 LB packages the Oline loved those seeing all these little guys trying to rush the milddle. Having more capable strength against Oline strength if anything will be refreshing over the last few years. May have serious benefits for Daniels and Adams who are fine pass rushers, they may get way more one on one match ups with interior Oline having to deal with some beef.

[cannondale]

It's not rocket science. As Fritz Shurmur used to say, if we can get home blitzing one, we will. If not, we'll bring two. Then three. If that doesn't work we're in trouble.

God I miss that guy

[AlexGreen#20]

6 minutes ago, PACKRULE said:

I don't mind this keeps us heavier in the middle and lets Pettine blitz from anywhere not that Capers couldn't, but he seemed to show blitz to often and to early. Will beat the heck out of Capers Nitro and send 5 LB packages the Oline loved those seeing all these little guys trying to rush the milddle. Having more capable strength against Oline strength if anything will be refreshing over the last few years. May have serious benefits for Daniels and Adams who are fine pass rushers, they may get way more one on one match ups with interior Oline having to deal with some beef.

There are advantages to both. I'd much rather block Clay/Perry/Daniels/Clark than Clay/Perry/Peppers/Datone.

[Shanedorf]

19 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

He means Clay playing off ball and moving up as a Blitzer/Rusher. Teams like to bring 5 guys. 

Pettine's will bring 3 DL, an edge guy and an ILB. Clay will play that ILB spot.

thanks for the illumination

[Beast]

4 hours ago, Shanedorf said:

From michael cohen tweeter:

"All throughout camp, Pettine has shown he’s comfortable using three defensive linemen and only one edge rusher on obvious passing downs"

 

Does this suggest we're all a bit off base on how Petting utilizes his defenders ? If he's only using 1 OLB in pressure situations, then the triad of Perry, Matthews and Gilbert might be closer to "sufficient" than we were used to under the former regime. The other comment Pettine made was in talking about reducing Matthews snaps and "starting at the back ( 3rd down) and working forward" . Fewer early down snaps for Clay

Which would mean Clay is being looked at as more of a pass rush specialist than an every down OLB. That's in sync with PackerRaymonds comments about Clay being a situational guy at this point in his career.

Just some interesting snippets from the recent presser along with cohen's tweet

No, this defense is just a hybrid 3-4 / 4-3 system the that Seahawks used to use and the Broncos have used for years.

Going back to Broncos 2016 defense (cus I like DeMarcus Ware and more like Wade Phillips)

 

 

You’re full time front 4 pass rushers are

OLB = DeMarcus Ware = Nick Perry

DE = Malik Jackson = Mike Daniels

NT = Sylvester Williams = Kenny Clark

DE = Derek Wolfe = Muhammad Wilkerson

 

And your specialist surprise blitzer (that might not be on the line) 

OLB = Von Miller = Clay Matthews

 

So if they want to run a 4-3 or 3-4 out of this, they can, and that creates confusion, which Pettine says he wants.

[Packerraymond]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

No, this defense is just a hybrid 3-4 / 4-3 system the that Seahawks used to use and the Broncos have used for years.

Going back to Broncos 2016 defense (cus I like DeMarcus Ware and more like Wade Phillips)

 

 

 

You’re full time front 4 pass rushers are

 

OLB = DeMarcus Ware = Nick Perry

 

DE = Malik Jackson = Mike Daniels

 

NT = Sylvester Williams = Kenny Clark

 

DE = Derek Wolfe = Muhammad Wilkerson

 

 

 

And your specialist surprise blitzer (that might not be on the line) 

 

OLB = Von Miller = Clay Matthews

 

 

So if they want to run a 4-3 or 3-4 out of this, they can, and that creates confusion, which Pettine says he wants.

Why are you comparing a Wade Phillips defense to a Rex Ryan/Pettime defense? Compare it to the Jets, Bills or Browns defenses, defenses he literally called.

Also not to be picky but the Carroll/Bradley/Quinn 4-3 isn't very similar to the Phillips 3-4 (which is more of a 5-2 front with a dropping backer). Seattle's 4-3 is a primarily cover 3 with 3 DL and a "LEO" which Bruce Irvin, Cliff Avril, Fowler and Beasley played in their respective adaptations. Phillips prefers to run a man look and more often than not in Denver was a straight 3-4 guy, he says he likes to drop a backer, but in Denver let's be real more often than not you aren't wasting DeMarcus Ware or Von Miller by dropping them. It operated like your standard 3-4 more often than not.

From what I've seen from Pettine, he's far more mutiple than the Seattle 4-3 or Phillips adaption of the 3-4. I think he and Rex had to do some deep thinking about how to take a defense chocked full of stars in Baltimore and make it work with the Jets, and that's where the molding and mutiple nature of it came from. He's not the type of guy that's going to force a player to do something because he scheme says that's the way it must be done. 

To make a short story long, this whole thing started because some beat writer is still trying to rationalize moving Clay to ILB and using DL instead of EDGE players to rush the passer. Unless one of our starters are out at EDGE, don't think that happens at all. No sense in burning out DL, and his average number of DBs per play, though slightly smaller than Capers still signifies we're going to play a lot of nickel and dime, and much of that will be with 2 DL, 2 EDGE players, a LB, and 6 DBs.

[Gannon12]

Ohh my holy Xenu! 75 pages! Come on guys you know he is going to resign with Oakland. Don’t give me a heart attack please.

[Norm]

1 minute ago, Gannon12 said:

Ohh my holy Xenu! 75 pages! Come on guys you know he is going to resign with Oakland. Don’t give me a heat attack please.

Exactly. He's going to resign and come to GB.

I've been telling them they are looney tunes since the beginning but they are tons that think this can really happen. Then the "Vegas" odds (that was just some **** *** e-book from Costa Rica) called us favorites and then everyone thought Vegas had some inside info. 

I just love all the "get this done Gute" every 10 posts like it's a real thing that can happen.

[AlexGreen#20]

6 minutes ago, Gannon12 said:

Ohh my holy Xenu! 75 pages! Come on guys you know he is going to resign with Oakland. Don’t give me a heat attack please.

Packers and Mack have already agreed to terms. Just a matter of getting the Raiders what they need to make it livable for them.

It's as good as done. Just a matter of Gutekunst and McKenzie reaching a gentleman's agreement over bourbon at Ted Thompson's summer home.

[Gannon12]

if Mack left my heart will go into overdrive and fail.

[eyecatcher]

Why is Mack gonna resign. He’s only what 26 years old. That’s too young to resign.