pwny Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, lancerman said: Bran revealed the secret to Sam No he didn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Heimdallr said: It would have been cool if they did something to show Bran predicting outcomes, or ANY sort of backstory that shows his motivation. Is he acting as Bran, or as the 3ER? Was this the best outcome, or just what got him on the throne? How much did he actually know or influence? They did a terrible job explaining his character and purpose. -“Why do you think I came all this way”. -Tyrion talking to Bran and predicting they’d survive -knowing Jamie would arrive -the vision of Drogon over King’s Landing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: The least violent future was one where millions of innocent people are burned to death? Nice. He could've just told Ayra to sneak into KL or kill her in the north wearing someone else's face, boom, problem solved. And um, Jon Snow? The character that was universally loved, admired, and respected by everyone throughout the series? Jamie didn't get put into exile for killing the Mad King. What could a 1,000 unsullied troops do without the dragon? The Northern Army with their allies would've killed them in a day. Why is your theory better than that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The least violent future was one where millions of innocent people are burned to death? Nice. He could've just told Ayra to sneak into KL or kill her in the north wearing someone else's face, boom, problem solved. And um, Jon Snow? The character that was universally loved, admired, and respected by everyone throughout the series? Jamie didn't get put into exile for killing the Mad King. What could a 1,000 unsullied troops do without the dragon? The Northern Army with their allies would've killed them in a day. And how does any of this lead to a future no longer ruled by cruel kings, tormented by the sons of kings, wherein those alive are the pawns of those in power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Sam already knew Jon's real name from his time at the Citadel. Really all Bran did was source-check Sam's knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Millions of people just died so he could become king, he's evil and sadistic. He could've easily stopped Dany at any time but used her army and dragons to defeat his true enemy, the Night King, and then used Jon to drive her crazy, kill millions, and set up the perfect situation for him to assume control with no real threat to his power. And so what? Do you even know what you're arguing any more? Before it was lazy writing and horrible decision making because bran didn't have loyalty, or an army, or money, etc etc. Now it's about how he's really evil. So I ask again, who cares if he's evil? What does that have to do with anything. Not all endings are happy ones, and honestly, that'd be a devilish twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pwny said: No he didn’t. Yeah he did. Bran knew Jon was born of Lyanna and Rheagar. The only new information Sam provided was that Rheagar had an annulment. Which Bran went back and confirmed was because Rheagar and Lyanna we’d. Agh got creates Jon’s claim. Then Bran tells Sam to tell Jon. And when Sam tells Jon the first thing he does is put seeds of doubt in Dany. Then Jon tells Dany and her response freaks him out. Then it spins out of control from there Edited May 20, 2019 by lancerman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pwny said: No he didn’t. Yeah he did, in S7. Sam told Bran they had an annulment, which Bran goes back and discovers who JOn's real mom is. 5 minutes ago, lancerman said: Bran revealed the secret to Sam and instructed him to reveal it to Jon. Which led to a chain of people finding out and ultimately sparking the betrayal of Vary’s. Don’t forget, Bran had the vision of Drogon over King’s Landing This has nothing to do with what you just said though. Bran never told anyone that Dany was going to go mad, nor convinced Jon to betray Dany. Also, Dany also had the vision of her at the Iron Throne. Basically either Bran foresaw all of this and chose to do nothing because he's so power-hungry he wanted to be king, or he foresaw all of this and did nothing because he's actually a useless character that was inserted on the throne in a rushed storyline to fulfill GRRM's ending. 4 minutes ago, pwny said: Did you miss the part where he explained in this episode that he still didn’t want it, but that it was what was best? Yes, I think we all saw the major plotholes attempting (poorly) to be explained. Doesn't mean they're any less awful. He's supposed to be a 3rd party, completely neutral and staying out of the lives of humans, but "Oh sure I guess it's for the best that I rule" now? lmfao. Edited May 20, 2019 by AFlaccoSeagulls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Forge said: And so what? Do you even know what you're arguing any more? Before it was lazy writing and horrible decision making because bran didn't have loyalty, or an army, or money, etc etc. Now it's about how he's really evil. So I ask again, who cares if he's evil? What does that have to do with anything. Not all endings are happy ones, and honestly, that'd be a devilish twist. It's poor writing. Grey Worm has been ruthless yet allows the war prisoner to determine the new system to elect a king? Okie dokie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: It's poor writing. Grey Worm has been ruthless yet allows the war prisoner to determine the new system to elect a king? Okie dokie. after he just executed like 5 prisoners on Dany's orders lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Overall the ending was crap and the series was crap once GRRM's source material ran out. That's just the facts and if you think otherwise you're just a fan of crap fantasy with no logic or meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The least violent future was one where millions of innocent people are burned to death? Nice. He could've just told Ayra to sneak into KL or kill her in the north wearing someone else's face, boom, problem solved. And um, Jon Snow? The character that was universally loved, admired, and respected by everyone throughout the series? Jamie didn't get put into exile for killing the Mad King. What could a 1,000 unsullied troops do without the dragon? The Northern Army with their allies would've killed them in a day. As opposed to the future where Dany continues to roll throughout the rest of the world? Sure. We're playing the reach game here so why not? Yara and Dorne have already stated that they sided with Dany. Do you really think that they, along with the Unsullied and Dothraki, would just let Jon be king? Come on man, you pull out all the ridiculous scenarios but can't see how THAT would play out? Even if Jon's side wins, there are tons more lives lost than if Bran takes the spot, which is what everyone wanted at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, pwny said: If this is the complaint, I get it. But the whole “this part doesn’t make sense” thing is really missing the mark. Could they have done a better job lengthening out the story and taking more time to explore things and really delve into it all? Sure. And I do wish there maybe 40 episodes to wrap up these last two seasons rather than what we got. But the idea that some of these actions don’t make any sense for the character, or that the endings don’t make sense to the source material, it’s just completely being incapable of connecting anything not right in front of you. Is this even a thing among overall criticism levied? Consensus seems to be placed at faulty execution. Regardless, if you use your own headcannon to tie the subtext with the conclusion, sure things make sense. But in doing so you are pretty much absolving the story itself of its own responsibility. The storytelling did not earn the conclusion, regardless of how much previous subtext alluded to it. Instead the conclusion lured the story telling. I think this is the issue people have with the endings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, AFlaccoSeagulls said: after he just executed like 5 prisoners on Dany's orders lol He was so loyal to Dany that he let the person that F'd her most of all live, elect a new King, and become the hand of that King, great job GW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdallr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 So why didn't Grey Worm just take control and declare himself king immediately after find out Dany was dead? He clearly had enough control to imprison Jon. None of the remaining armies could really compete with the combined forces of the Unsullied and the Dothraki in open combat. If GW was so loyal to Dany and her cause, why not see it through? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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