vegas492 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, rcon14 said: Oliver can play everything from 0-tech to wide-9 and drop into coverage and I'm pretty sure he's perfect. As an athlete, I agree. JaireAlex mentioned some knocks against his character. If he does drop to us, I'd take that chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, vegas492 said: As an athlete, I agree. JaireAlex mentioned some knocks against his character. If he does drop to us, I'd take that chance. I have yet to see anything regarding his character aside from a "team jacket" thing. Or because he maybe didn't play in a game when he maybe could have, or maybe he wanted to play even though he was still hurt and the coaches held him out. If the issue is "stopped playing because of the draft" Nick Bosa did the exact same thing and no one talks about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Oliver is too good to pass up at #12 if he's on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, skibrett15 said: Packers would be 8th if we hadn't beat NYJ and shut rodgers down. 5th if we didn't beat atlanta If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its butt on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, JBURGE said: If we're not counting 2018, which I wouldn't, the last 1st round miss at TE has been Brandon Pettigrew, in 2009. This depends on how you view Ebron, who was finally a ++ player this past year. Howard Engram Njoku Ebron Eifert Gresham Pettigrew Dustin KellerOlsen Vernon DavisMarcedesHeath Miller Kellen WinslowBen Watson These are the 1st round tight ends taken in the last 15 drafts, excluding 2018. That is imo an extremely high hit %. Only 3 of them were taken in the top 10 - Winslow, Vernon Davis, and Ebron. The next highest was 19 OJ Howard I'd argue Kellen Winslow was a reasonably successful pick. Did well on his rookie deal on a pretty bad team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, cannondale said: 24 minutes ago, JBURGE said: If we're not counting 2018, which I wouldn't, the last 1st round miss at TE has been Brandon Pettigrew, in 2009. This depends on how you view Ebron, who was finally a ++ player this past year. Howard Engram Njoku Ebron Eifert Gresham Pettigrew Dustin KellerOlsen Vernon DavisMarcedesHeath Miller Kellen WinslowBen Watson These are the 1st round tight ends taken in the last 15 drafts, excluding 2018. That is imo an extremely high hit %. Only 3 of them were taken in the top 10 - Winslow, Vernon Davis, and Ebron. The next highest was 19 OJ Howard For discussion sake - and because I have the link open, here are a few non- First Rounders 3rd - Cook 3rd - Graham 4th - Hernandez 2nd - Gronkowski 4th - Cameron 2nd - Rudolph 3rd - Kelce 2nd - Ertz 5th - Kittle The difference here is that I posted every 1st rounder, you only posted the really good ones. There are a ton of missed guys from the 2nd round onwards, just like every other position. Like you said it's not as drastic of a drop off as edge or QB, but there is a noticeable drop off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, skibrett15 said: I'd argue Kellen Winslow was a reasonably successful pick. Did well on his rookie deal on a pretty bad team. Me too, but at 6 overall you're really looking for a long term franchise player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, rcon14 said: College and all that, but he was being triple-teamed regularly in college and still was disruptive. For sure. But with his stature in the NFL I think that's a waste of his strengths, and I'm sure you agree. If you grab Oliver in the top 10 and then Dexter Lawrence early 2nd...... I'm looking at you Giants and Bills Bucs as well with Vita Vea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, JBURGE said: For sure. But with his stature in the NFL I think that's a waste of his strengths, and I'm sure you agree. If you grab Oliver in the top 10 and then Dexter Lawrence early 2nd...... Bucs as well with Vita Vea oh 100%. I wouldn't use him that way, but you COULD. I'd rather use him as a hybrid 3-tech/EDGE guy and give you basically unlimited scheme versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, JBURGE said: The difference here is that I posted every 1st rounder, you only posted the really good ones. There are a ton of missed guys from the 2nd round onwards, just like every other position. Like you said it's not as drastic of a drop off as edge or QB, but there is a noticeable drop off Yep - I just grabbed the bigger names to add to your list in one post for informational purposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, rcon14 said: oh 100%. I wouldn't use him that way, but you COULD. I'd rather use him as a hybrid 3-tech/EDGE guy and give you basically unlimited scheme versatility. I'm still in the boat where moving up from 12 could be a great idea. Avoid using 30, but 44 is on the table. Even just going up a few spots and using the 3rd. If we see 2 QBs go top 5, which I think is likely, we have one of Bosa, Quinnen, Oliver and Allen guaranteed available at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, JBURGE said: I'm still in the boat where moving up from 12 could be a great idea. Avoid using 30, but 44 is on the table. Even just going up a few spots and using the 3rd. If we see 2 QBs go top 5, which I think is likely, we have one of Bosa, Quinnen, Oliver and Allen guaranteed available at 6. I am willing to go there for Oliver, Bosa, or Quinnen. Perhaps Allen as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Regarding this TE discussion, I still have the data from my draft position thread so I ran some numbers to obtain the average production for TEs by round. Remember that this includes only players drafted since 2000: Round #Players Career Yards Career TDs 1 22 3699,9 28,9 2 32 1901,4 15,3 3 42 1645,1 12,1 4 39 960,8 7,5 5 48 587,1 4,5 6 38 578,1 4,1 7 46 189,8 1,0 This shows the average career yards and TDs by round. I'm of the opinion that a late round TE is better value, but the numbers are there and when it comes to career stats you can hardly justify such a disparity just because the first round TE gets more chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, rcon14 said: I am willing to go there for Oliver, Bosa, or Quinnen. Perhaps Allen as well. We could probably get to 6 with 12 and 44, with a pick coming back to us like a 4th. However the Giants are unlikely to move down, as Gettleman has showed. 1 and 3 might get it done as early as 8. I'd go to 8 for Allen easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its butt on the ground. I asked a frog once, and they like bumping their butts on the ground, so they probably would still do it if they had wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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