KellChippy Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, VikeManDan said: Illegal contact, 5 yards, automatic 1st down. I hate that it is an automatic 1st down when the yardage required for a 1st down is greater than 5 yards. 3rd and 6, illegal contact, should change to 3rd and 1. I like that idea: five yard penalty and repeat the down. Only problem is, the DB would have less incentive not to maul the receiver on 3rd and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyRx Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, iknowcool said: Sack numbers would plummet. I mean taking a guy like Cam down is hard enough as is. Now give him the ability to just throw the ball to the ground anytime he wants without consequence? If the end goal is player safety, sack numbers don't matter. Record books are already skewed with the way this game currently looks as opposed to how it used to look. And you tell me on 3rd and long, defender gets loose and the qb throws it away is a bad thing? The defense did it's job on that down and forced 4th down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, MightyRx said: If the end goal is player safety, sack numbers don't matter. Record books are already skewed with the way this game currently looks as opposed to how it used to look. And you tell me on 3rd and long, defender gets loose and the qb throws it away is a bad thing? The defense did it's job on that down and forced 4th down... Except sacks don’t only happen on 3rd down. Your reasoning is akin to me saying we should eliminate tackling for player safety. You’re taking it to an extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks1957 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 On 9/28/2018 at 12:10 AM, mse326 said: My stupid rule addition. Personal fouls after the play offset fouls during the play. I think both should be enforced. To show why that is terrible see below. Receiver catches a bomb (lets say 60 yards) and is tackled with a facemask (should add 15 yards). However the receiver gets up and "taunts" the defender incurring a dead ball 15 yard penalty. Penalties offset replay the down at previous spot. HOWEVER, IF there was no defensive foul then the 15 yard dead ball taunting penalty is assessed from the end of the play so still being 45 yards of gain. The defensive foul actually helps the defense retain 45 yards of field possession. Similar to your situation - I have seen this many times, and drives me fricking nuts because it makes NO SENSE. I have several officiating friends and I will give their explanation shortly. Team A has the ball. They achieve the line to gain, and rightfully so, are awarded a first down. After the play is OVER (aka dead ball foul), a player from Team A starts talking smack to a player from Team B. Player from Team B retaliates, but the player from Team A lashes out with a punch and has a 15 yard penalty assessed on him. Common sense would tell you that the offense still has the ball, but it SHOULD be 1st and 25. Wanna know what happens in 90% of the cases? The ball is moved back 15 yards from the end of the play - AND YET IT IS 1ST AND TEN!!! The reason for that, according to my officiating friends, is that the 10 yard sticks are not set until he gives the "ready for play" signal. What?? I asked him - "Do you realize how much sense that doesn't make?. You have just removed all of the 15 yard penalty by not forcing the offense to go the additional 15 yds for another first down." He agreed that it sounds silly, but he said that is how the rules are written and enforced. Only if the foul was assessed AFTER the RFP signal would the 1st and 25 come into play. Seventeen kinds of stupid if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Silliest rule in football, IMHO. In any given year, it's standard procedure that a Schottenheimer must be employed by an NFL team in some capacity. This is the only explanation I have for why Brian's got a job in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyRx Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, iknowcool said: Except sacks don’t only happen on 3rd down. Your reasoning is akin to me saying we should eliminate tackling for player safety. You’re taking it to an extreme. What's your fascination with sacks? If a player forces a throwaway, how's that bad? The defense won the down. The offense got to protect their golden goose. Everybody wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, VikeManDan said: Illegal contact, 5 yards, automatic 1st down. I hate that it is an automatic 1st down when the yardage required for a 1st down is greater than 5 yards. 3rd and 6, illegal contact, should change to 3rd and 1. 1 hour ago, KellChippy said: I like that idea: five yard penalty and repeat the down. Only problem is, the DB would have less incentive not to maul the receiver on 3rd and long. DB grabs enough times it will eventually lead to a 1st down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, MightyRx said: What's your fascination with sacks? If a player forces a throwaway, how's that bad? The defense won the down. The offense got to protect their golden goose. Everybody wins. Because there is a huge different in sacking a QB for a 5 yard loss vs a throwaway for no yards lost. Why would we want to get rid of a game changing staple play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, MightyRx said: What's your fascination with sacks? If a player forces a throwaway, how's that bad? The defense won the down. The offense got to protect their golden goose. Everybody wins. An incomplete pass is not nearly as much of a win for the defense as a sack. You're also not really protecting anyone. What would wind up happening because of that rule change, is as a QB is getting hit, he's just going to spike the ball. So the QB still gets hit, but the defense doesn't get those yards anymore against the offense. So really, everyone loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 The two worst rules in football right now are the new "Roughing the Passer" rules and the tuck rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 8:12 AM, MightyRx said: They should get rid of intentional grounding. If a QB feels threatened, he can end the play and avoid the hit. That would take care of many things. Forcing an incompletion is a win for the defense so I don't see the negative here... Intentional grounding is hardly ever called as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 10:56 AM, MightyRx said: If the end goal is player safety, sack numbers don't matter. Record books are already skewed with the way this game currently looks as opposed to how it used to look. And you tell me on 3rd and long, defender gets loose and the qb throws it away is a bad thing? The defense did it's job on that down and forced 4th down... Sacks only happen on 3rd down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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