Shanedorf Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, Norm said: I feel like I'm in an alternative universe and now I'm the evil one with a goatee. I think Evil Norm had a name on the show: Anton Kreitzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: Not to mention if Gute is active in FA, which hopefully is the case, who says we end up getting any pick for Clinton-Dix if we sign a semi-promiment player?Take the 4 now. Not an easy decision but the right one even for a "win now" guy like me. Yep. Hard for some Packer fans to get their head around the notion that we now have a GM who might actually sign a free agent or two and thus there is NO GUARANTEE that the Packers were ever going to see what a 5th or 6th round compensatory in 2020 (if the team sat out free agency next offseason)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, TheOnlyThing said: Hard for some Packer fans to get their head around the notion that we now have a GM who might actually sign a free agent or two and thus there is NO GUARANTEE that the Packers were ever going to see what a 5th or 6th round compensatory in 2020 (if the team sat out free agency next offseason)? Lol. Gute was in on like 7 big name free agents this past offseason and he got one of them to sign. Maybe YOU have a problem accepting that people don't want to sign in Green Bay when the money is the same. He literally signed the exact same number of compensatory-factoring free agents his first offseason as Thompson did in his last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Lol. Gute was in on like 7 big name free agents this past offseason and he got one of them to sign. Maybe YOU have a problem accepting that people don't want to sign in Green Bay when the money is the same. He literally signed the exact same number of compensatory-factoring free agents his first offseason as Thompson did in his last. Gute spoke today about how getting a compensatory pick for HaHa was no sure thing given his intention to actively participate in free agency this offseason and that helped influence his decision to trade him for a 4th round pick now. Under the previous GM, who made his disdain for free agency well known, the Packers often received compensatory picks after their own free agents signed elsewhere and no corresponding free agents were signed. You are not really still contending that Gute is operating just like his predecessor and anyone saying otherwise is unfairly picking you, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: Gute spoke today about how getting a compensatory pick for HaHa was no sure thing given his intention to actively participate in free agency this offseason and that helped influence his decision to trade him for a 4th round pick now. Under the previous GM, who made his disdain for free agency well known, the Packers often received compensatory picks after their own free agents signed elsewhere and no corresponding free agents were signed. You are not really still contending that Gute is operating just like his predecessor and anyone saying otherwise is unfairly picking you, are you? Do we have examples of Thompson making his disdain for free agency known? Interviews perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: Gute spoke today about how getting a compensatory pick for HaHa was no sure thing given his intention to actively participate in free agency this offseason and that helped influence his decision to trade him for a 4th round pick now. Under the previous GM, who made his disdain for free agency well known, the Packers often received compensatory picks after their own free agents signed elsewhere and no corresponding free agents were signed. You are not really still contending that Gute is operating just like his predecessor and anyone saying otherwise is unfairly picking you, are you? Gute is much different than Thompson. Particularly in his openness about acquiring talent and in his willingness to trade. My point, not that you will EVER get it, is that Thompson WAS active in free agency, he did NOT hate free agency, and he DID sign free agents when the value was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBitzMan Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Gute is going to have to spend in free agency unless he is going to leave $25-$30M in cap space unused. That's with resigning Mo, one of Cobb/CMIII and the entire draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Do we have examples of Thompson making his disdain for free agency known? Interviews perhaps? Seriously? If actions mean anything, the record establishes that the Pack signed fewer veteran free agents than any other NFL team during the second half of his tenure in GB. Then, there are his own words: Fans hoping this will be the year Thompson turns over a new leaf and aggressively approaches the open free-agent market likely were disappointed. “That’s our intention,” Thompson said, “and it’s our intention every year. And I stand on this podium every year, I think, and say the same thing. Our best intention will be to sign as many of our own players as we can, and keep it together.” https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/03/01/packers-thompson-shares-free-agency-thoughts/98580312/ Or we could rely on circumstantial evidence like that set forth in the numerous articles documenting his record, or lack thereof, in free agency: With former GM Ted Thompson in charge, the Packers were the most home-grown team in the NFL ... Gutekunst made a point in his introductory news conference to say he will have a different approach. https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/01/15/dougherty-packers-poised-free-agency-foray/1030814001/ Thompson seemingly disdains the whole idea of spending big money -- or, in many cases, any money at all -- on players from other teams. One NFL source who’s very familiar with the Packers’ front office said that Gutekunst, Eliot Wolf and recently departed scout Alonzo Highsmith all had a similar, far more expansive view of free agency and trades than Thompson had in his 13 seasons as GM. https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/01/07/dougherty-mark-murphy-plays-odds-making-right-call/1011488001/ The internal reluctance to hire Ball was rooted in the idea that he would be a continuation of the Ted Thompson way, i.e., largely ignoring free agency and relying heavily on the draft http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/43291/packers-hit-home-run-with-brian-gutekunst-as-gm-but-questions-linger Everyone knows the drill with Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson. Draft. Develop. Repeat. That’s the way Thompson has presided over the organization’s front office for the last decade, only resorting to outside free agency in the case of emergency. https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/02/16/revisiting-ted-thompsons-free-agents-signings/80452408/ When it comes to signing players from other teams, Packers general manager Ted Thompson often takes a pass, preferring instead to re-sign his own key free agents. http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/19197/reviewing-the-packers-free-agent-history-under-gm-ted-thompson https://lombardiave.com/2017/02/28/ted-thompson-free-agency/ "According to several sources, McCarthy is fed up with his boss' unwillingness to take a chance and reinforce the roster with veteran players that might be unknown to the Packers but have the talent to contribute," https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2610717-mike-mccarthy-reportedly-fed-up-with-gm-ted-thompsons-free-agency-approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 46 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Gute is much different than Thompson. Particularly in his openness about acquiring talent and in his willingness to trade. My point, not that you will EVER get it, is that Thompson WAS active in free agency, he did NOT hate free agency, and he DID sign free agents when the value was there. Yes but clearly the aggression is in favor of Gute in that regard. Don't use Ted last year of scraping the barrel (something he had to do because he was losing his ability to draft) as being equal to Gute. Gute's going to follow last season by having even more money, by having no FAs to bring back like Linsley and Tae last year. He's going to be even more aggressive, he pretty much came out and said he wanted a guaranteed pick for Haha because he's going to counteract losing him in the comp charts if he stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, JBURGE said: I don't think many fans are happy that we're getting rid of a starter for a 4th round pick while we're trying to win the division. But the reason is clear and makes sense, and we haven't had a chance to see who will step in to take those snaps. The tune will change real quick if the secondary falls on their faces now Let me rephrase, guys who were typically down on a move like this are now looking at the positives more than I ever recall. They sound like I used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Shanedorf said: I think Evil Norm had a name on the show: Anton Kreitzer Holy reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Best of luck to HHCD, most excited I was about a 1st rounder in the last 5 drafts for sure. There were so many moments I thought, "this dude is going to be such a stud for us." Just went downhill. What could've been.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 53 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: Seriously? If actions mean anything, the record establishes that the Pack signed fewer veteran free agents than any other NFL team during the second half of his tenure in GB. Then, there are his own words: Fans hoping this will be the year Thompson turns over a new leaf and aggressively approaches the open free-agent market likely were disappointed. “That’s our intention,” Thompson said, “and it’s our intention every year. And I stand on this podium every year, I think, and say the same thing. Our best intention will be to sign as many of our own players as we can, and keep it together.” https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/03/01/packers-thompson-shares-free-agency-thoughts/98580312/ Or we could rely on circumstantial evidence like that set forth in the numerous articles documenting his record, or lack thereof, in free agency: With former GM Ted Thompson in charge, the Packers were the most home-grown team in the NFL ... Gutekunst made a point in his introductory news conference to say he will have a different approach. https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/01/15/dougherty-packers-poised-free-agency-foray/1030814001/ Thompson seemingly disdains the whole idea of spending big money -- or, in many cases, any money at all -- on players from other teams. One NFL source who’s very familiar with the Packers’ front office said that Gutekunst, Eliot Wolf and recently departed scout Alonzo Highsmith all had a similar, far more expansive view of free agency and trades than Thompson had in his 13 seasons as GM. https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/01/07/dougherty-mark-murphy-plays-odds-making-right-call/1011488001/ The internal reluctance to hire Ball was rooted in the idea that he would be a continuation of the Ted Thompson way, i.e., largely ignoring free agency and relying heavily on the draft http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/43291/packers-hit-home-run-with-brian-gutekunst-as-gm-but-questions-linger Everyone knows the drill with Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson. Draft. Develop. Repeat. That’s the way Thompson has presided over the organization’s front office for the last decade, only resorting to outside free agency in the case of emergency. https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/02/16/revisiting-ted-thompsons-free-agents-signings/80452408/ When it comes to signing players from other teams, Packers general manager Ted Thompson often takes a pass, preferring instead to re-sign his own key free agents. http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/19197/reviewing-the-packers-free-agent-history-under-gm-ted-thompson https://lombardiave.com/2017/02/28/ted-thompson-free-agency/ "According to several sources, McCarthy is fed up with his boss' unwillingness to take a chance and reinforce the roster with veteran players that might be unknown to the Packers but have the talent to contribute," https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2610717-mike-mccarthy-reportedly-fed-up-with-gm-ted-thompsons-free-agency-approach None of those are sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: None of those are sources. OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 A tentative approach to free agency is still important, IMO. For every Woodson or Pickett there are seemingly 3 or 4 Steven Jackson's or Marty Bennett's out there. Ted made a lot of very good non-moves. He also left some positions undermanned when the SB window was wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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