You Are In Control. Who Replaces McCarthy?

[Packerraymond]

5 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Quick, somebody compile a list of failures that occurred when the QB gets the head coach fired and the team crashes and burns into absolute oblivion. 

@Packerraymond.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/11/16/silverstein-rodgers-mccarthy-cant-seem-fix-packers-offense/2019050002/

Aaron Rodgers is not coming into games with no say on the offense.  This has got to stop.  McCarthy is involved in all three aspects of it, and he always has been.  DIRECTLY FROM MCCARTHY. 

 

Elaborate what you're trying to say here? We all know every good QB sits and creates the game plan with the playcaller.

[Mr Anonymous]

This thread was started with the agenda that there weren't good options out there so that the topic starter could belabor his erroneous notion that the Packers would be best served to stand pat.

There is no shortage of intriguing candidates who would modernize the operation in Green Bay...

 

John DeFilippo

Todd Monken

Dan Campbell

Lincoln Riley

Josh McDaniels

Matt LaFleur

David Shaw

Chris Petersen

Eric Bieniemy

Matt Campbell

James Bettcher

George Edwards

Zac Taylor

Shane Waldron

 

Just to name a few.

[JBURGE]

6 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

8 minutes ago, JBURGE said:

I still don't understand your issue with this. If Rodgers isn't listening to MM, then you find someone that Rodgers can work with, not the other way around. If you have a JAG as your QB, then you get rid of the QB and keep the coach.

There isn't a lot of precedent for this kind of split

My issue with it is that you never give in to a diva.  Once you give in to a diva once, they're ruined forever.  There probably isn't a lot of precedent for this sort of thing, but one that comes immediately to mind is RG3 bragging about getting Shanahan fired. 

I agree to an extent, but I think Rodgers, Brady, Brees kind of take themselves out of that diva treatment. Brady has part of team train at his facility with his life coaches or whatever you want to call it. BB had issues with it, but it still happens. Some guys get more of a leash

[JBURGE]

Depending on how the rest of the season goes in Arizona, what about John Harbaugh as head coach and Byron Leftwich as OC?

[Pugger]

3 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said:

This thread was started with the agenda that there weren't good options out there so that the topic starter could belabor his erroneous notion that the Packers would be best served to stand pat.

There is no shortage of intriguing candidates who would modernize the operation in Green Bay...

 

John DeFilippo

Todd Monken

Dan Campbell

Lincoln Riley

Josh McDaniels

Matt LaFleur

David Shaw

Chris Petersen

Eric Bieniemy

Matt Campbell

James Bettcher

George Edwards

Zac Taylor

Shane Waldron

 

Just to name a few.

The topic starter believes our issues start at the guy under center because AR is a diva who can't be coached anymore.

[showtime]

If I'm any team this off-season looking for a new coach, I'm going after Lincoln Riley.  He's obviously going to be one of the most sought after hires, so I would offer him a ton.  Kind of risky to do that with a college coach, but he's an offensive genius.  He's really young and very bright - kind of like Sean McVay.

[vegas492]

3 minutes ago, Pugger said:

The topic starter believes our issues start at the guy under center because AR is a diva who can't be coached anymore.

I believe that is the premise, yes.

Is is that he can't be coached anymore, or that he doesn't trust the talent around him right now?  I mean, ESB was terrible again last night.  Not sure if MVS really knows what is going on and Graham didn't play for a lot of the game.

He's got Davante and that is it.  Even Jones is in his second year.

I can't help but think that Rodgers will play better when more guys understand the offense as he does.  Along the way?  I cannot excuse some of his throws, but I have to think that the knee is really hurting him.  He isn't pushing off on throws, he's more of less just flicking it up there.

I agree that there are other coaching candidates out there.  And likely the team moves on from Mac this year.  But...next year will look different for Rodgers, with or without McCarthy simply because his knee will be better and his offensive skill positions will have more time with him and whatever offense they are running.

[{Family Ghost}]

I'd be on Outpost's side if we were talking about Favre.  That guy had truly become bigger than the team ... had his own locker room and changing area his last few years.  He also was not fully committed to playing football .. was contemplating retirement every offseason.  He wasn't taking criticism at all .. I recall him scoffing at Tom Rossley giving him a tape of his mistakes (Int's) to review.  Favre quipped .. they should also give me a tape of my TD's too, or something along those lines.  He had reached Diva status.  I don't think Rodgers is there .. yet

[TheBitzMan]

18 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

My issue with it is that you never give in to a diva.  Once you give in to a diva once, they're ruined forever.  There probably isn't a lot of precedent for this sort of thing, but one that comes immediately to mind is RG3 bragging about getting Shanahan fired. 

Two completely different situations. Shanahan got RG3's knee shredded. 

You are honestly okay just letting this continue? You just posted a thread detailing how Rodgers never checks down and have repeatedly posted about Rodgers post 2015 hasn't been the same. That's 4 years where McCarthy could've taken charge and gotten Rodgers right again. Where he could innovated on offense to help his team. Where he could've ran the ball more to help the QB. Literally tried anything to help. Nothing has changed on offense. 

At some point it's the coach's job to correct the player. 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

1 minute ago, showtime said:

If I'm any team this off-season looking for a new coach, I'm going after Lincoln Riley.  He's obviously going to be one of the most sought after hires, so I would offer him a ton.  Kind of risky to do that with a college coach, but he's an offensive genius.  He's really young and very bright - kind of like Sean McVay.

The big issue though is whether he can put out a message that reaches and motivates professional players.

Dealing with a professional is a lot different than dealing with a college player, to the point that there are some that have said no college coach in there right mind would leave a good college job to coach in the NFL.

We will see, but I think the only thing that happens with Lincoln Riley this year is he gets a big pay raise to coach where he currently is.

[Mr Anonymous]

9 minutes ago, Pugger said:

The topic starter believes our issues start at the guy under center because AR is a diva who can't be coached anymore.

I remember hearing that about some guy named Brett. Ironically it was the current GB coach who reigned him in. Coaches who can't adapt get stale. It happens. It has happened with the current GB coach. The QB has tuned him out. The marriage must be dissolved. The QB is elite, the coach is not. That's why the coach goes and the QB stays. 

[MacReady]

Just now, Pugger said:

The topic starter believes our issues start at the guy under center because AR is a diva who can't be coached anymore.

You really need to stop putting words into my mouth, Pugger.  I expect it out of some people here, but I thought you were better than that.  I have never said that our issues start with Rodgers, nor that our issues all come from Rodgers and I have frequently stated that it is incumbent on Rodgers to change things he does and do what the offense needs him to do.  With all the problems, the easiest fix is Rodgers changing his bad habits. 

Additionally, I never said that Rodgers can't be coached anymore.  I've suggested that if he is openly leading a mutiny against McCarthy, that's bad, and that if he won't listen to McCarthy, our next coach will be Aaron's lapdog, which is not a good thing.

[MacReady]

Just now, Mr Anonymous said:

John DeFilippo

-Vikings have dropped in offensive ranking from Shurmur to DeFilippo.  Their totals are up, but the entire NFL totals are up, and compared to the rest of the league, the Vikings have dropped off.  He is not making things happen with superior intellect, he is thriving with the best receiving duo in the NFL. 

Todd Monken

13-25 as a college football head coach, very hot and cold offense in spite of having a great receiving tight end and an elite receiving corps. 

Dan Campbell

Lincoln Riley

Not trying to be a smart*** here because I genuinely want a discussion, but do you really want to risk Aaron's last five years on a head coach who has never coached beyond the collegiate level?  Do you know how rarely that works out?

Josh McDaniels

You want to go from a head coach who has had success as a head coach and won a Super Bowl with a guy who got fired as a head coach twice, wrecked two teams, has the same winning percentage as a head coach as McCarthy has without Rodgers or Favre and is the kind of person who reneges on signing a head coach contract? 

Matt LaFleur

Sorry.  I see Sean McVay as head coach continue to thrive without him while the Titans got worse offensively as a bad sign.

David Shaw

You want to fire McCarthy because he can't get us Super Bowl wins, but you want to hire a collegiate head coach who is 4-3 in bowl games? 

Chris Petersen

Another coach with zero NFL experience and a 6-5 bowl record. 

Eric Bieniemy

Not seeing signing a guy who has Kelce, Hill, Hunt and the best young QB in the game as any better an idea than the Giants hiring McAdoo. 

Matt Campbell

Another coach with zero NFL experience, and he's currently 17-17 as head coach.  In college. 

James Bettcher

You want to hire a defensive specialist?  Has that ever worked out?  You realize this means the end of Pettine for absolute sure, right? 

George Edwards

Defensive coach again.  Not a good idea. 

Zac Taylor

Hiring any McVay disciple sounds like a bad idea. 

Shane Waldron

^

Every single option here has the chance to crash and burn.  I'm still sticking with McCarthy, who I know can thrive when he has the players. 

[MacReady]

Just now, TheBitzMan said:

At some point it's the coach's job to correct the player. 

Do you honestly think anybody is going to get Rodgers to change the way he plays?  Do you think McCarthy is reviewing game tape with Rodgers and not pointing out the open receivers Rodgers overlooks? 

Tell me the process of a different head coach changing that. 

Tell me how somebody changes Rodgers. 

[Mazrimiv]

It seems more than clear that the Mac/Rodgers pairing is no longer working for this offense.  The decision to part ways with Mac at this point really doesn't seem very complicated.  Replacing Mac with a new HC may or may not work out well for whatever time Rodgers has left, but I feel like 4-6 more years of pairing Rodgers with Mac will not work out well for anyone.