AlexGreen#20 Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: Gute and Murphy are obviously undertaking a multi-year transformation of what had become a staid organization. The transformation of the front office that began last offseason will continue and the purge of the 2017 coaching staff is now all but complete. As for the roster ... Nick Perry: He will be 29 years old when camp opens. He has had exactly 1 productive season out of 7 in Green Bay. Just 1. He is the personification of injury-prone. He has been grossly overpaid for his meagre production. He never wanted to play OLB in a 3-4 scheme. His presence is a constant reminder of all the miserable play and awful (personnel and coaching) decisions that have plagued the defensive side of the ball the past 7 years. No one, not Perry's biggest fans would count on Nick being healthy and playing well in 2019. In 2018, the Packers had to suffer the ignominy of absorbing a $4.2 dead cap hit for Martellus Bennett. That sucks and it hurts, but it is part of doing business in the NFL when your GM makes mistakes. Gute needs to bite the bullet and absorb an even bigger cap hit in 2019 by moving on from Perry. Mason Crosby: He has has some great moments as a Packer. He had a poor 2018 season and has not been an above-average kicker for several years now. At the very least, Gute should extract a significant pay cut from Crosby. Tramon WIlliams: If Pettine is retained, I agree with the OP's statement that "I just don't think the front office could stomach not having any kind of safety net back there, even if they could probably get better with the money saved" If a new DC comes in all bets are off and Tramon could easily be let go. Bryan Bulaga: Because Spriggs remains an enigma, I agree with those who maintain that Bulaga should be kept around unless and until a viable replacement is added to the roster. I expect him to be back in 2019. Mike Daniels: Though overrated by some Packer fans and overpaid for his production, I don't see the need to cut him this offseason. 2019 will almost surely be his last season in GB, however. Jimmy Graham: Obviously overpaid for production, but there is nothing behind him at TE so I also expect him to be back in 2019. In addition to the above, I expect Gute to move on from another "veteran" or two not currently on the radar of potential cuts. Who are you expecting him to move on from? Rodgers? Bakhtiari? Adams? Linsley? Taylor? Those are the only guys I didn't mention that are making any money/aren't on rookie deals Could make the argument that both Linsley and Taylor are overpaid, but cutting both of them doesn't even get you 7 million in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Last year, we had a bunch of moves that could/did happen. And I want to get everybody's opinion on the upcoming offseason: I'll post another thread in a few days about the guys who are now Free Agents that we might look into resigning, but this seems like a good place to start the offseason. +++ 1. Cut Nick Perry? It's hard to call this one without knowing the medical. Comments were made earlier in the year about how Perry was never healthy this year. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. On paper, the skillset should match what we're looking for. Whether there's anything left remains to be seen. Perry can be June-1st cut for 10737500 in cap relief next year. He would have a dead cap hit the following year of $7,400,000 however. Prediction: I think the team stays with Perry another year though damn if it isn't close. There's just a bit too much money left on the deal and I think they're holding out hope that he can get healthy in this system. Want: As much as I like Perry, I think it might be time to move on. That said, as soon as we do, it's going to be awful watching him regain his form with the Titans. I probably would make the call to cut him, though ask me again in a few hours and I would probably give you a different answer. Probably the hardest cut to make in terms of dead cap and savings. Lot will depend on what the new coaching staff is going to run. If there is a different defensive system, that could be a benefit to Perry in more of a 4-3 DE role vs OLB. At this point, I am keeping Perry. 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: +++ 2. Cut Jimmy Graham? I think you have to ride with Graham another year and hope he and Rodgers both look reinvigorated and like they're on the same page. I get that Graham's overpaid for his production so far, but I don't think you're able to replace the lost production with the minimal cap savings. Graham can be June-1st cut for $9,000,000 in savings, but would have a 3,668,000 cap hit the following year however. Prediction: I think Graham stays in 2019. I think Graham is basically exactly who we thought we were getting when we signed the contract and he'll get better with more reps in the system. Want: Same as the prediction Keeping Graham for 2019. GB needs to draft a TE and they can begin to develop for 2020 and beyond. Missed the opportunity to do so in a deep TE class of 2017 and they are still feeling the effects of that. Been trying the Cook -> Bennett - > Graham older TE route. Keeping Graham allows the rookie to deveolp. 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: +++ 3. Cut Mike Daniels? Daniels is turning 30 and heading into a walk year. The injuries have started to pile up for Daniels over the last few seasons as well. He's a good player, but I'm not in love with the fit here. He can be cut for $8,312,000 in savings. The downside to cutting him is that if he walks, you would very likely get a comp pick in 2020, even if it is just a 5th rounder. Plus you would miss the production and the veteran leadership. Prediction: Daniels is kept around for his final season, even if he is overpaid. I think he means a lot to the guys in the room and that he's worth keeping around for the leadership. Want: Much like Graham, I think Daniels is overpaid, but I'm not sure you can get the same replacement production for what you would get by cutting him, I'd be willing to take the risk though. I think I would cut him, but I'm very conflicted. Second toughest decision after Perry. In a deep DL class, the time might be right to grab 2 DL early and replenish the DL group. Similar to Perry, Daniels may likely benefit from a different defensive system. I would keep him, but looking to move of from Daniels is not a bad play. He could be a trade bait candidate, though coming off the injury makes that a lot tougher. 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: +++ Cut Bryan Bulaga? Bulaga is also turning 30 and heading into a walk year. The injuries have started to pile up for Bulaga over the last few seasons as well. I think he's a good player though and is perfect for what we want to do when he's healthy. He can be cut for $6,750,000 in savings this year. The downside to cutting him is that if he walks, you would very likely get a comp pick in 2020, even if it is just a 5th rounder. Prediction: Keep Bulaga for another year. You just can't replace that production for the dollars saved. Want: Same as the prediction. Keep Bulaga. Need to get a replacement for him in this draft. 1 of the things that really irked me in the last few weeks was not giving Spriggs reps at RT. There was nothing to gain from playing Bulaga. Finding out what development Spriggs had made, giving him valuable reps would have been the smart thing to do IMO. GB would be hard pressed to find a similar quality RT for less than Bulaga's 2019 salary. 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: +++ Cut Tramon Williams? Tramon is turning 36 and heading into a walk year. With him being done at CB and moved to Safety, it's hard for me to justify that contract. Alternatively, we have absolutely nothing at Safety at the moment, and I feel like I'm jumping out of a plane without a parachute if I cut the only semi dependable guy back there. He can be cut for $4,750,000 in savings. I think if he's cut, he's likely to retire, so the comp pick is questionable. Prediction: Tramon is retained, I just don't think the front office could stomach not having any kind of safety net back there, even if they could probably get better with the money saved. Want: I'd probably cut him loose and pray like hell the FA market turns out. Take all that money and go straight at Thomas or Boston. Cut. Easy enough decision for me. Does not have it as a CB and showed he is not a safety. His value in 2018 was having the knowledge of the Pettine system. If that is changing, there is no real value. If you wait until after his roster bonus is due, then you are losing more of the cap savings. If you do not have a better plan, then you are not planning well enough. I feel 2019 will be a bumpy ride anyway, so I am getting the young players that need to be brought in as many reps as they can get. 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: +++ Cut Mason Crosby? Special teams was a trainwreck this year and Crosby was a part of it. He cost us several games this year. He's also going to be 35 and heading into a walk year. He can be cut for $3,600,000 in savings. No comp picks for specialists Prediction: Crosby is cut. We've already gotten younger at the other specialists with Scott (Meh) and Bradley (BOOOO!!!). Time to complete the transition. Want: Crosby is cut. I just think you can do better with the cash in hand. +++ Cut. Camp competition that likely leads to a release at some point. Whether GB decides to outright move on before then would be fine with me as well. Summary: Keep: Bulaga, Graham --- Perry and Daniels also kept, but medicals and defensive system will also be a factor and that is unknown currently Cut: Williams, Crosby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, squire12 said: 1 of the things that really irked me in the last few weeks was not giving Spriggs reps at RT. There was nothing to gain from playing Bulaga. Finding out what development Spriggs had made, giving him valuable reps would have been the smart thing to do IMO. Spriggs was in the concussion protocol since after the bears game - so he couldn't play. That's why Bulaga had to come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Perry is the only one I really dont want to keep. Much like Clay his pass rushing hay days are over. And the guy really only had 1 or 2 solid years and spent the rest injured rittled. I think we just need a new breed of pass rushers. I don't even think having him as a situational pass rusher is worth it with his pay. But I have low expectations if he would start. Graham is controversial. But I think he gets 1 more year. Give him one more year to try to get in sync with Rodgers in a new scheme. Try to work some of that Redzone magic that Graham was brought in for. Also i would like it if we just didnt just cut our top FA TE for the 3rd year in a row. The rest I'm fine with keeping. I would be shocked if Daniels was let go unless we changed schemes to a 4-3. But even then I think he would still find a place there. I still like his veteran and leadership presence which is lacking on that side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gopackgonerd said: Perry is the only one I really dont want to keep. Much like Clay his pass rushing hay days are over. And the guy really only had 1 or 2 solid years and spent the rest injured rittled. I think we just need a new breed of pass rushers. I don't even think having him as a situational pass rusher is worth it with his pay. But I have low expectations if he would start. Graham is controversial. But I think he gets 1 more year. Give him one more year to try to get in sync with Rodgers in a new scheme. Try to work some of that Redzone magic that Graham was brought in for. Also i would like it if we just didnt just cut our top FA TE for the 3rd year in a row. The rest I'm fine with keeping. I would be shocked if Daniel's was let go unless we changed schemes to a 4-3. But even then I think he would still find a place there. I still like his veteran and leadership presence. If we switched to a 4-3 yo don't even think about cutting Daniels. The big issue with Daniels is that he just doesn't have the length to standout here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Spriggs was in the concussion protocol since after the bears game - so he couldn't play. That's why Bulaga had to come back You are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: If we switched to a 4-3 yo don't even think about cutting Daniels. The big issue with Daniels is that he just doesn't have the length to standout here. Hasn't that always been his crutch? Only thing I worry about is hes not whipping dudes like he used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Gopackgonerd said: Hasn't that always been his crutch? Only thing I worry about is hes not whipping dudes like he used to. It was a negative in Capers scheme, in Pettine's it's even worse. He just hasn't been where he needs to be as far as health wise to make do this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 51 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Who are you expecting him to move on from? Rodgers? Bakhtiari? Adams? Linsley? Taylor? Those are the only guys I didn't mention that are making any money/aren't on rookie deals Could make the argument that both Linsley and Taylor are overpaid, but cutting both of them doesn't even get you 7 million in cap space. I obviously don't think Gute is going to move on from "veteran" Aaron Rodgers. Or David Bakhtiari. Or Davante Adams. I also don't think he'll move on from Linsley or Taylor, though the latter would not be a complete shock. But I was not limiting the roster turnover to just guys who "are making any money/aren't on rookie deals." Thus, I could see, for example, 2018 starter Kentrell Brice or 2018 #3 OLBer Reggie Gilbert not being on the roster in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: I obviously don't think Gute is going to move on from "veteran" Aaron Rodgers. Or David Bakhtiari. Or Davante Adams. I also don't think he'll move on from Linsley or Taylor, though the latter would not be a complete shock. But I was not limiting the roster turnover to just guys who "are making any money/aren't on rookie deals." Thus, I could see, for example, 2018 starter Kentrell Brice or 2018 #3 OLBer Reggie Gilbert not being on the roster in 2019 Well no ****, you turn over the bottom of the roster every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Cut Tramon - obvious Cut Crosby - obvious, and detailed ad nauseum in my posts Cut Daniels None are better players than can be had for the same/less money in free agency. The main reason to keep Daniels is if he was secretly injured last year or you think it's some sort of horrible scheme fit and the new DC loves his fit in the new scheme. What a horrible forgettable year for Daniels. With Daniels, you are open to a restructure, but if his pay doesn't more closely align with his 2018 play, it's time to move on. Would rather have wilkerson just based on the limited snaps we saw of him, and he will be much cheaper. If you have a chance to get Suh for 3 years at 12/year, I would happily use Daniels' 8 mil savings towards a signing like that. In a vacuum, you don't cut daniels, but if you believe the market is liquid at DT, then I think you can cut him and sign say Bennie logan for 5/year and be in the same position talent wise and up 3 mil in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I'd cut Tramon and Perry (post June 1st) and keep the rest (give competition to Crosby though). It doesn't make sense to cut Bulaga or Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Well no ****, you turn over the bottom of the roster every year. Your thread is entitled "call your shot veteran cuts." Kentrell Brice has been a Green Bay Packer since 2016. Kentrell Brice has been a starting safety during the past two seasons (2017 and 2018). If you are limiting the pool of potential veterans to be cut to a subset of starters, perhaps a bit more clarity is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAH1223 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 If you look at the roster, the only players that would be starters without question on any other roster in the NFL would be: On offense: 12 33 17 75 63 69 On defense: 76 97 23 Cutting Bulaga and Daniels is stupid IMO. A kicker should be brought in to compete with Crosby, no question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, FAH1223 said: If you look at the roster, the only players that would be starters without question On offense: 12 33 17 75 63 69 On defense: 76 97 23 A kicker should be brought in to compete with Crosby, no question! Martinez and King are starters without question. King has started every game when he wasnt injured so I count him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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