Call your shot: Veteran Cuts Edition

[Dubz41]

Fackrell has developed into a decent back up.  He fits Pettine's defense very well.

Spriggs is a starter and should move into the RT next year.  Would Bulaga be the ideal swing Tackle for us?  Limited role, he just might stay healthy.  Then we draft that OT in the fourth or fifth round unless a great value presents itself earlier.

[skibrett15]

23 hours ago, incognito_man said:

Tramon and Crosby are no-brainers to cut, the rest of the guys stay IMO.

Perry is a solid fit when healthy, and he costs over $11million to cut this off-season. If I can get Trey Flowers or Brandon Graham or Dee Ford, I use Perry's money for them instead though.

Daniels is a tough locker room cut, but if the choice is Daniels and Perry vs Wilkerson and Flowers, I take the latter pair.

There's no one better than Graham (other than Jared Cook) on the market, so he's an easy keep IMO.

Bulaga is an easy keep too.

In summary:

Tramon and Crosby are gone.

Perry and Daniels are gone if I can get a blue chip edge guy in the market instead. If I can't, then I keep them.

Graham and Bulaga are easy keeps.

I agree with Perry, but what "locker room" are we trying to preserve with Daniels.  There might be some benefit from a total refresh on the locker room, especially on the defensive side.

Losing Clay and Daniels lets a new staff come in without needing to cater to any veteran expectations or needs.

 

As far as Daniels goes, I think in certain schemes he can still be an above average DT.  But I think in some schemes he just doesn't really add too much over a run stuffer which is about a 5m/year kind of guy.  Saving 8M and then using 5M on a standard run stuffer like bennie logan is fine by me.  For Daniels, I think there's circumstances where you move on, even if it isn't for a blue chip player.

 

Still, I'm going for Suh.

[skibrett15]

19 hours ago, squire12 said:

potentially.  29 year old DT that is coming off an injury and less production than previous seasons that is due $7.6M.  Not sure I would be wanting to trade for that if I am another team.

let's be clear though.. he counts 11M (approx) against the cap, not 7.6.  And you save 8.5M by cutting him.

And this is his last year.  Teams aren't  trading picks for players like that I don't think.  Not good teams anyway.

[squire12]

1 minute ago, skibrett15 said:

let's be clear though.. he counts 11M (approx) against the cap, not 7.6.  And you save 8.5M by cutting him.

And this is his last year.  Teams aren't  trading picks for players like that I don't think.  Not good teams anyway.

Depends on when he would be cut.  you are right, his base is $7.6M, with 500K in roster and 400K in workout bonuses.  not sure when the bonus $$ would be due.  

all in all, I agree with you that moving him might make more sense than keeping.  As I noted in my answers, lots depends on medicals and the DC and system.  Keeping Pettine seems like a bad fit for Daniels, but a different system might be worth it.  Add in a contract year incentive to show out.

[skibrett15]

5 minutes ago, squire12 said:

Depends on when he would be cut.  you are right, his base is $7.6M, with 500K in roster and 400K in workout bonuses.  not sure when the bonus $$ would be due.  

all in all, I agree with you that moving him might make more sense than keeping.  As I noted in my answers, lots depends on medicals and the DC and system.  Keeping Pettine seems like a bad fit for Daniels, but a different system might be worth it.  Add in a contract year incentive to show out.

yeah, I'm not stumping for moving on from daniels, but I think there's a good percentage of possible scenarios where the fit and pay for play just don't line up.  Maybe 25% of the time he isn't gonna be in the best position to succeed And he is still highly paid with associated expectations.

[Stevein2012]

53 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

yeah, I'm not stumping for moving on from daniels, but I think there's a good percentage of possible scenarios where the fit and pay for play just don't line up.  Maybe 25% of the time he isn't gonna be in the best position to succeed And he is still highly paid with associated expectations.

Not really worth worrying about moving on from someone like Daniel though unless you get a good trade deal or something or are desperate for the money.  He might not be the best scheme fit right now but we aren't tight against the cap or anything.  If we get a crack at a good player that is the right fit on defense or something and need the space to sign them then maybe it would be worth a discussion but it's not something I would have on a priority list.

[ThatJerkDave]

Davez taekz:

Perry - The guy is always hurt and has been good for like half a season and a post season since he has been drafted.  Since I think this position will be addressed in a big way this offseason, why not drop one more? As has been mentioned, he has been in the league for seven seasons.  If we would make use of the cap savings, cut him.

Graham - I think the guy is over paid.  I know he is also the only TE currently under contract for the next season.  I would keep him around because he is only a year removed from a 10 TD season.  He is still huge and can make that work again, if the QB goes to him.

Daniels - He can still be productive.  I think adding a FA/DP, and lowering his snap count will help him out.  Lowry and Lancaster stepped it up this season and look like they could eat some more snaps with the line at full strength.  At this point, I don't think Daniels should be a 3rd contract guy;  but I don't think we need to release him a season early.  

Bulaga - I'm kinda waffling on this one.  I think he is good.  I also think that Spriggs is ready, and is probably a better long term plan for the position.  Cutting Bulaga leaves the tackle position very, very thin however; and necessitates drafting at least one tackle, probably early.  It might be more economical to ride Bulaga out and re-sign Spriggs, who hasn't started up to this point and has less to bargain with. 

Tramon - I love me some Tramon.  But, it is time.  He doesn't consistently have the quicks to be a CB anymore, and he tackles like a CB when he is playing S.  If you like him in the room, hire him as a position coach.  Fair or not, I am a lot less angry when cheap *** Eddie Pleasant makes a mistake than I am when multi-million dollar Tramon Williams does.  Old, expensive, and bad is worse than young, cheap, and bad.

Crosby - We have been over this.  You don't cut Mason Crosby.

[Shanedorf]

from McGinn:

"Packers team president Mark Murphy and general manager Brian Gutekunst are on the hunt for Green Bay’s next head coach. And once that domino falls, it will become apparent what current Packers fit best with the new staff.

History has shown, though, that when Green Bay has changed coaches, it’s also overhauled its roster.

In 1991, Green Bay had 57 players on the roster or the injured reserve list for the regular season finale under coach Lindy Infante. By the 1992 season-opener under new head coach Mike Holmgren, 26 of the 57 were gone (45.6%).

In Green Bay’s 2005 season finale under Mike Sherman, there were 66 players on the roster and injured reserve list. By the start of 2006 under McCarthy, 33 of the 66 were gone (50.0%).

It would be fair to expect similar turnover this offseason"

 

That's a lot of veteran players who won't be here next year

[ChaRisMa]

On 1/1/2019 at 11:36 AM, AlexGreen#20 said:

Last year, we had a bunch of moves that could/did happen. And I want to get everybody's opinion on the upcoming offseason:

I'll post another thread in a few days about the guys who are now Free Agents that we might look into resigning, but this seems like a good place to start the offseason. 

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1. Cut Nick Perry?

It's hard to call this one without knowing the medical. Comments were made earlier in the year about how Perry was never healthy this year. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. On paper, the skillset should match what we're looking for. Whether there's anything left remains to be seen. 

Perry can be June-1st cut for 10737500 in cap relief next year. He would have a dead cap hit the following year of $7,400,000 however. 

Prediction: I think the team stays with Perry another year though damn if it isn't close. There's just a bit too much money left on the deal and I think they're holding out hope that he can get healthy in this system. 

Want: As much as I like Perry, I think it might be time to move on. That said, as soon as we do, it's going to be awful watching him regain his form with the Titans. I probably would make the call to cut him, though ask me again in a few hours and I would probably give you a different answer.

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2. Cut Jimmy Graham?

I think you have to ride with Graham another year and hope he and Rodgers both look reinvigorated and like they're on the same page. I get that Graham's overpaid for his production so far, but I don't think you're able to replace the lost production with the minimal cap savings.

Graham can be June-1st cut for $9,000,000 in savings, but would have a 3,668,000 cap hit the following year however.

Prediction: I think Graham stays in 2019. I think Graham is basically exactly who we thought we were getting when we signed the contract and he'll get better with more reps in the system.

Want: Same as the prediction

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3. Cut Mike Daniels?

Daniels is turning 30 and heading into a walk year. The injuries have started to pile up for Daniels over the last few seasons as well. He's a good player, but I'm not in love with the fit here.

He can be cut for $8,312,000 in savings. The downside to cutting him is that if he walks, you would very likely get a comp pick in 2020, even if it is just a 5th rounder. Plus you would miss the production and the veteran leadership.

Prediction: Daniels is kept around for his final season, even if he is overpaid. I think he means a lot to the guys in the room and that he's worth keeping around for the leadership.

Want: Much like Graham, I think Daniels is overpaid, but I'm not sure you can get the same replacement production for what you would get by cutting him, I'd be willing to take the risk though. I think I would cut him, but I'm very conflicted.

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Cut Bryan Bulaga?

Bulaga is also turning 30 and heading into a walk year. The injuries have started to pile up for Bulaga over the last few seasons as well. I think he's a good player though and is perfect for what we want to do when he's healthy.

He can be cut for $6,750,000 in savings this year. The downside to cutting him is that if he walks, you would very likely get a comp pick in 2020, even if it is just a 5th rounder.

Prediction: Keep Bulaga for another year. You just can't replace that production for the dollars saved.

Want: Same as the prediction.

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Cut Tramon Williams?

Tramon is turning 36 and heading into a walk year. With him being done at CB and moved to Safety, it's hard for me to justify that contract. Alternatively, we have absolutely nothing at Safety at the moment, and I feel like I'm jumping out of a plane without a parachute if I cut the only semi dependable guy back there.

He can be cut for $4,750,000 in savings. I think if he's cut, he's likely to retire, so the comp pick is questionable.

Prediction: Tramon is retained, I just don't think the front office could stomach not having any kind of safety net back there, even if they could probably get better with the money saved.

Want: I'd probably cut him loose and pray like hell the FA market turns out. Take all that money and go straight at Thomas or Boston.

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Cut Mason Crosby?

Special teams was a trainwreck this year and Crosby was a part of it. He cost us several games this year. He's also going to be 35 and heading into a walk year.

He can be cut for $3,600,000 in savings. No comp picks for specialists

Prediction: Crosby is cut. We've already gotten younger at the other specialists with Scott (Meh) and Bradley (BOOOO!!!). Time to complete the transition. 

Want: Crosby is cut. I just think you can do better with the cash in hand.

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I have to agree with all of this for those exact reasons. 

Additionally, I’d like to switch to a 43 D and put Perry in a 3 point stance. Get Daniels some more 1v1s. Let Perry pop around the line of scrimmage all game long and see what he’s got. Watch Clark dominate.

[Gopackgonerd]

16 hours ago, Dubz41 said:

Fackrell has developed into a decent back up.  He fits Pettine's defense very well.

Spriggs is a starter and should move into the RT next year.  Would Bulaga be the ideal swing Tackle for us?  Limited role, he just might stay healthy.  Then we draft that OT in the fourth or fifth round unless a great value presents itself earlier.

If you want Spriggs to start you probably should just cut Bulaga then, there's no advantage to keep Bulaga healthy in a backup role. He's been with that line for almost a decade, just use him if you got him.

[66PinG]

On 2 January 2019 at 3:03 AM, Norm said:

Someone would trade for Daniels right?

The Patriots. He is exactly the type of reclamation project that BB is famous for.

Daniels would flourish there.

[Leader]

Demovsky: Bryan Bulaga was 2nd among all tackles in ESPN's new pass blocking win rate.

Herman:  The talk of Bulaga’s demise are greatly exaggerated. And for all those injury concerns he ended up playing over 72% of the snaps on offense and was top 10 on the team in total snaps. A top 10 pass blocking tackle at $8mil per year for 12 games is a steal.

[CWood21]

Just now, Leader said:

Demovsky: Bryan Bulaga was 2nd among all tackles in ESPN's new pass blocking win rate.

Herman:  The talk of Bulaga’s demise are greatly exaggerated. And for all those injury concerns he ended up playing over 72% of the snaps on offense and was top 10 on the team in total snaps. A top 10 pass blocking tackle at $8mil per year for 12 games is a steal.

But we're better off rolling that $7M into next year though...

[incognito_man]

6 minutes ago, Leader said:

Demovsky: Bryan Bulaga was 2nd among all tackles in ESPN's new pass blocking win rate.

Herman:  The talk of Bulaga’s demise are greatly exaggerated. And for all those injury concerns he ended up playing over 72% of the snaps on offense and was top 10 on the team in total snaps. A top 10 pass blocking tackle at $8mil per year for 12 games is a steal.

Yeah, Bulaga is as much of a no-brainer retention as Davante Adams.

[Leader]

5 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

But we're better off rolling that $7M into next year though...

?? You referring to Bulaga? I'm not following.
His 2019 hit is listed on Spotrac as 8.3M.

Generally - I dont see us bleeding cash at any of our OL positions. We can afford what we've got - and I value (a healthy) Bulaga's production & contribution a good deal. Spriggs - while seemingly improved - has yet to show he's ready to step in fully - and I dont want to get into the rollcall of backups and fill ins getting snaps for us. We need AR to turn things around next year?

1. Sign McDaniels to run the offense. Hit the ground running and dont look back.
2. Fortify the OL. PROTECT AR.