Scoundrel Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Ragnarok said: Counselor can have my spot on trade and Dingo can have my spot on contract. After Nelson I hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Counselor said: After Nelson I hope Already said that, but yes. I have to seriously think about that one. Trying to look at the totality of the circumstances. Elite level talent on a rookie deal, Mike's unwillingness to move 2020 picks is a very good sign, his team is in win-now mode, Orlando might have cap issues trying to sign all those picks compared to having Nelson, Orlando has a lot of picks(9 after this trade), Wichita could use more picks for a rehaul...there is a lot that makes sense. But it is a massive deal for a non premium position. I'll sleep on it and decide tomorrow or Friday unless pheltz approves beforehand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: Already said that, but yes. I have to seriously think about that one. Trying to look at the totality of the circumstances. Elite level talent on a rookie deal, Mike's unwillingness to move 2020 picks is a very good sign, his team is in win-now mode, Orlando might have cap issues trying to sign all those picks compared to having Nelson, Orlando has a lot of picks(9 after this trade), Wichita could use more picks for a rehaul...there is a lot that makes sense. But it is a massive deal for a non premium position. I'll sleep on it and decide tomorrow or Friday unless pheltz approves beforehand. Ok attitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Counselor said: Ok attitude Well, you did quote the comment I made where I had said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: Well, you did quote the comment I made where I had said that. Don’t start with me sweetie pie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny92mike Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 29 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: Already said that, but yes. I have to seriously think about that one. Trying to look at the totality of the circumstances. Elite level talent on a rookie deal, Mike's unwillingness to move 2020 picks is a very good sign, his team is in win-now mode, Orlando might have cap issues trying to sign all those picks compared to having Nelson, Orlando has a lot of picks(9 after this trade), Wichita could use more picks for a rehaul...there is a lot that makes sense. But it is a massive deal for a non premium position. I'll sleep on it and decide tomorrow or Friday unless pheltz approves beforehand. What's to think about? It's sounding like because I'm leaving after this offseason, that I'm attempting to "game the system" because some of you don't agree with the value of the trade. If this isn't the case, then you're losing the what makes these sim/mocks great which is individualism and the freedom of the GM/owner to build their team. The trade council should only be there for one reason, to prevent someone from unloading all their draft picks or trading away the value of their roster with the intention of damaging the mock/draft. If you think that's what I'm doing, deny it and I'll move on. Not going to go through the entire debate on why my roster is better off with nelson than the draft picks I'm attempting to trade for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLadd Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, ny92mike said: What's to think about? It's sounding like because I'm leaving after this offseason, that I'm attempting to "game the system" because some of you don't agree with the value of the trade. If this isn't the case, then you're losing the what makes these sim/mocks great which is individualism and the freedom of the GM/owner to build their team. The trade council should only be there for one reason, to prevent someone from unloading all their draft picks or trading away the value of their roster with the intention of damaging the mock/draft. If you think that's what I'm doing, deny it and I'll move on. Not going to go through the entire debate on why my roster is better off with nelson than the draft picks I'm attempting to trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFLukic Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Deary me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedLavie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I have no say in the matter but I don't get the fuss about the Nelson trade. If Orlando had given this to jump to 1.4 in the draft where Nelson was taken, wouldn't it be approved? Only difference is 1 less year of rookie contract for Mike but the insurance Nelson isn't Chance Warmack Good deal for both parties I believe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, TedLavie said: I have no say in the matter but I don't get the fuss about the Nelson trade. If Orlando had given this to jump to 1.4 in the draft where Nelson was taken, wouldn't it be approved? Only difference is 1 less year of rookie contract for Mike but the insurance Nelson isn't Chance Warmack Good deal for both parties I believe Jump from where? Now we're adding hypotheticals to justify the trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 When the trade goes through it's over and done with on my end. I just made it known why I hadn't approved it, which I imagine I would have to do for not approving something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedLavie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, Jlash said: Jump from where? Now we're adding hypotheticals to justify the trade? If we have a trade this year (or if we had it last year): 1.4 for 1.7, 2.14 and a couple of low rounders. Wouldn't it be approved? Cause Nelson was taken 1.4 last year and nothing justifies imho him not being worthy of this pick a year later ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Trade calculator says Mike gives value 2665. PR gives vake 1800 if we were looking just pure numbers wise and saying Nelson is pick 1.4. So essentially Mike is losing this trade by about the 21st pick in the draft. Again just purely numerical and not my choice whether to approve or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: Trade calculator says Mike gives value 2665. PR gives vake 1800 if we were looking just pure numbers wise and saying Nelson is pick 1.4. So essentially Mike is losing this trade by about the 21st pick in the draft. Again just purely numerical and not my choice whether to approve or not That is point value without NFL priduction though. Drafts are all hit or miss until those players come to the NFL and can prove they can produce. Nelson did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringinDaPain Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 @bcb1213, @Jlash and @ny92mike Guys, if you will have me into this mock, I would really enjoy taking over Orlando Ospreys for Mike as he's giving up the team. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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