canadaluvsdallas Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) On 3/21/2019 at 12:29 PM, Super4 said: There is no realistic way of possibly spinning this to say Dak Prescott is not a starting NFL QB. All of the metrics say so, and he passes the eye-test (most of the time). He's not an all-world talent or have an amazing arm. He's also been bogged down in development by poor coaching and offensive play calling. He has areas to improve on for sure, but literally every single QB has things they need to improve on. People are going to argue that his circumstance has benefitted him, and I would argue that his braindead coaching staff and play calling has held him back in terms of development and setting him up to maximize his success. Keep this in mind: There are a few reputable QBs that are going to be coming up for contract in the next couple of years as well, who will without question command more than $30M per year. So while paying Dak $27M-$30M a year now might sting a little, remember that the market is always going to climb... so in a couple years his contract won't even seem that been anymore when put up against his counter-parts with. All in all, it's silly to assume Dak Prescott isn't arguably a top 10 guy...(somewhere between 9-11 is where I would realistically place him.) The issue was never us not wanting to pay Dak. the issue is the salary cap that disables us a bit. a top 9-11ish guy needs more talent around him to be successful. I agree with you Dak needs to be re-signed and can't imagine us ever letting him go. That being said we do have to be realistic and ponder if Dak will be able to keep up his same level of play with less talent around him usually than previous years because of the salary cap. It's never been about Dak. People like a Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers because of how thier playstyle elevates less talented players = usually less cap space because the QB takes up for cap space. Yes Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Wilson etc. will all command bigger contracts in the future but thats because thier game is suited to elevate lesser proven talent around them. That is why they demand the money they will demand. Edited March 23, 2019 by canadaluvsdallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadaluvsdallas Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) I'm not saying to get rid of Dak but we need to be realistic about his flaws from a tape perspective. Great video on this & the abomination that was scott linehan. Edited March 23, 2019 by canadaluvsdallas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) Dak is not a top 9 QB yet, guys. Come on. More like top 20. Are we not counting the old QBs that are about to retire? Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Rivers, Eli, ARod.... Because if we aren't, then maybeeee... I could get behind him being a top 10 QB under 30. But with those guys still playing and winning SBs, plus the young guys like Mahomes, Wentz, and Goff who are winning MVPs and NFC Championships... Dak is more in the 14-20 range. Which one of these guys is Dak unequivocally, no questions asked, no doubt, non debatable better than? Andrew Luck Pat Mahomes Aaron Rodgers Jared Goff Dashaun Watson Carson Wentz Russell Wilson Baker Mayfield Cam Newton Kirk Cousins Matthew Stafford Big Ben Drew Brees Tom Brady Philip Rivers Jimmy G Nick Foles Eli Manning That's 18 different QBs that at least have a case and you say Dak could be 9th in the league? High praise for a guy that was 14th in completions, 15th in passing yards, and 19th in ANY/A. It would be cool if he was top 9 in some measurable way before we crown him that. Like I said, if we don't count the 35 year old plus HOFers that are on the way out, then ok... we can talk. But as of now, calm your teets. He's still young. Edited March 23, 2019 by DaBoys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles suck Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, DaBoys said: Dak is not a top 9 QB yet, guys. Come on. More like top 20. Are we not counting the old QBs that are about to retire? Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Rivers, Eli, ARod.... Because if we aren't, then maybeeee... I could get behind him being a top 10 QB under 30. But with those guys still playing and winning SBs, plus the young guys like Mahomes, Wentz, and Goff who are winning MVPs and NFC Championships... Dak is more in the 14-20 range. Which one of these guys is Dak unequivocally, no questions asked, no doubt, non debatable better than? Andrew Luck Pat Mahomes Aaron Rodgers Jared Goff Dashaun Watson Carson Wentz Russell Wilson Baker Mayfield Cam Newton Kirk Cousins Matthew Stafford Big Ben Drew Brees Tom Brady Philip Rivers Jimmy G Nick Foles Eli Manning That's 18 different QBs that at least have a case and you say Dak could be 9th in the league? High praise for a guy that was 14th in completions, 15th in passing yards, and 19th in ANY/A. It would be cool if he was top 9 in some measurable way before we crown him that. Like I said, if we don't count the 35 year old plus HOFers that are on the way out, then ok... we can talk. But as of now, calm your teets. He's still young. From this list. Newton Goff Manning I would take Dak over them hands down Edited March 23, 2019 by eagles suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, eagles suck said: From this list. Newton Goff Manning I would take Dak over them hands down Manning, yes. He is also 38 years old so not saying much. Dak is basically a poor mans Cam Newton with a better attitude/leadership qualities. So I could see that as well. Goff is over a year younger than Dak, has won an NFC championship, and beat the Cowboys in every opportunity he's had against them. It would be hard for me to agree that the better QB is "hands down," Dak over Goff. And even if he was better than those 3, that would put him as the 15th best QB currently. Idk who all is getting kicked out to move him up to 9. There are also other guys not on my list like Flacco, Trubisky, Darnold, Allen, and Lamar Jackson that certain fans would accept over Dak. He is very much in that 14-20 range. Edited March 23, 2019 by DaBoys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DaBoys said: Dak is not a top 9 QB yet, guys. Come on. More like top 20. Are we not counting the old QBs that are about to retire? Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Rivers, Eli, ARod.... Because if we aren't, then maybeeee... I could get behind him being a top 10 QB under 30. But with those guys still playing and winning SBs, plus the young guys like Mahomes, Wentz, and Goff who are winning MVPs and NFC Championships... Dak is more in the 14-20 range. Which one of these guys is Dak unequivocally, no questions asked, no doubt, non debatable better than? Andrew Luck Pat Mahomes Aaron Rodgers Jared Goff Dashaun Watson Carson Wentz Russell Wilson Baker Mayfield Cam Newton Kirk Cousins Matthew Stafford Big Ben Drew Brees Tom Brady Philip Rivers Jimmy G Nick Foles Eli Manning That's 18 different QBs that at least have a case and you say Dak could be 9th in the league? High praise for a guy that was 14th in completions, 15th in passing yards, and 19th in ANY/A. It would be cool if he was top 9 in some measurable way before we crown him that. Like I said, if we don't count the 35 year old plus HOFers that are on the way out, then ok... we can talk. But as of now, calm your teets. He's still young. Manning Foles Jimmy Cousins If age is a factor then Ben Rivers Brady Brees Stafford Argueable Wentz Mayfield Goff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) I think Dak is better than Goff. Goff might throw a (much) prettier ball, but this stuff you read about McVay telling him everything about what the defense is doing until the mic turns off would terrify me as a Rams fan. Patricia and more notably Belichick contained a juggernaut of an offense simply by changing their defensive looks in the last 15 seconds of the play clock. If I were a Rams fan, that would be a massive concern going forward, that my QB is basically just a vessel for junior Sith Lord McVay. IMO, that's a bigger red flag for the long-term viability of my QB than all of Dak's flaws put together. ... of course it could also be that the Rams' scheme is much more difficult to run than ours and Dak doesn't have to make as many defense-specific adjustments as Goff does. Edited March 23, 2019 by matt79511 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles suck Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DaBoys said: Manning, yes. He is also 38 years old so not saying much. Dak is basically a poor mans Cam Newton with a better attitude/leadership qualities. So I could see that as well. Goff is over a year younger than Dak, has won an NFC championship, and beat the Cowboys in every opportunity he's had against them. It would be hard for me to agree that the better QB is "hands down," Dak over Goff. And even if he was better than those 3, that would put him as the 15th best QB currently. Idk who all is getting kicked out to move him up to 9. There are also other guys not on my list like Flacco, Trubisky, Darnold, Allen, and Lamar Jackson that certain fans would accept over Dak. He is very much in that 14-20 range. Dak has 32 wins in 3 yrs Cam has 25 wins in 3 yrs Dak still has the ability to adjust and become much better Cam is at his ceiling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadaluvsdallas Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) I'd take Dak in the playoffs anyday cause he always seems to be ready. that being said he has to be consistent enough to reach there through 16 games with less talented players = because of cap space. that being said whatever i'm concerned about doesnt matter if we nail the draft & get all-stars. but that solution solves any problem. I think I might sig quote myself. Cause I finally feel I have purely articulated the Dak situation/concern. All the pressure is on our scouting department. Edited March 23, 2019 by canadaluvsdallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiller Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 We talking next four years to invest 30 mil Mahomes Mayfield - I guess what has he done with the pressure on Luck. (Hope no injury) .... more questions Wentz. Maybe but he never plays so far How many more years Ben Rogers Wilson. - this is close as Dak just out played him no thank you Watson Jimmg G Goff Fowles Cousins rest too old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/23/2019 at 10:34 AM, canadaluvsdallas said: I'd take Dak in the playoffs anyday cause he always seems to be ready. that being said he has to be consistent enough to reach there through 16 games with less talented players = because of cap space. that being said whatever i'm concerned about doesnt matter if we nail the draft & get all-stars. but that solution solves any problem. I think I might sig quote myself. Cause I finally feel I have purely articulated the Dak situation/concern. All the pressure is on our scouting department. He wasnt ready his last playoff game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northland Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Calvert28 said: He wasnt ready his last playoff game. Team wasn't ready. D line in particular got severely abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, Northland said: Team wasn't ready. D line in particular got severely abused. His receivers were. We had a chance to win that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 6 hours ago, quiller said: Wilson. - this is close as Dak just out played him Based on what? Our defense shutting down their running game? Wilson had a higher QBR that game, no turnovers, and nearly 9 yards per attempt, and a rushing TD. Dak threw a pick, had a lower QBR, and was almost 7 yards per attempt with a rushing TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDsportsfan Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Calvert28 said: His receivers were. We had a chance to win that game. That's just stupid, along with your previous quote. Dak has a ways to go and his limitations but that loss was squarely on the defense 100%. Two running backs with over 100 yards. Stop being a hater. Edited March 24, 2019 by HDsportsfan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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