Depth Chartin'

[Leader]

12 minutes ago, Cheech said:

CB: (6)  Alexander, King, Jackson, Williams, Brown, Hollman, Jamerson, Redmond, Brooks - I guess Tramon is supposed to play more CB again this year.  He really struggled at times last year, though.  I really wanted another CB/S for Pettine to throw on the field since he really likes to use 3 of them on the field at once.  Trading up for Savage and missing the opportunity to take Hooker in the 4th is the one thing that I really didn't like about the draft.  

S: (4) Amos, Savage, J Jones, Greene  - I just hope Savage is worth it.  Yes, he's fast.  But if he diagnoses plays like Josh Jones, the speed doesn't do jack ****.  

Depending on how the secondary is deployed......I think Tramon might find himself losing snaps. He's not quite there yet, but depending on how some of these guys develop, he's edging closer and closer to Davon House territory.

Not figuring in his contract situation (which has bearing, but I'm not considering it here....._ we've got a whole bunch of young guys back there and can "mix & match" responsibilities far more than I think Tramon is physically capable of at this stage.

Time will tell.

[TheGreatZepp]

32 minutes ago, Golfman said:

Couple of minor disagreements with you. I think Tonyan is more of a lock than Lewis. He actually provides something in the pass game and Lewis contract is a non-starter as to if he could be cut or not from a financial standpoint. 

I don't put Tramon Williams as a lock, but he probably does stick with the team. Tony Brown is no lock! 

I expect a few “surprise” cuts this year now that we’ve seen the front office and coaching changes and how Gute handled the roster last year. I am yet to be convinced if it’s going to be more of the old vets who have lost a step or the young guys who haven’t been able to put it together yet. 

If I was betting though, I think the Lewis’ and Williams’ of the team have a bit of an advantage being they know how to be a pro on the field as well as off and not just in Green Bay. 

My votes will be for the guys who have an injury history. The Geronimo Allison’s, Bryan Bulaga’s and Kevin King’s Of the team

[cannondale]

11 minutes ago, Leader said:

Depending on how the secondary is deployed......I think Tramon might find himself losing snaps. He's not quite there yet, but depending on how some of these guys develop, he's edging closer and closer to Davon House territory.

Not figuring in his contract situation (which has bearing, but I'm not considering it here....._ we've got a whole bunch of young guys back there and can "mix & match" responsibilities far more than I think Tramon is physically capable of at this stage.

Time will tell.

Tramon is in the last year of his deal. He will still earn his paycheck. Who the hell knows how many games King will miss, and Jaire missed time last year as well. Jackson is a huge question mark and Hollman is at least a year or two away. Brown is the guy we need to step up. We are far from out of the woods as far as the CB group is concerned. Cutting Tramon would almost certainly come back to haunt them this year

 

Edited April 28, 2019 by cannondale

[Leader]

4 minutes ago, cannondale said:

Tramon is in the last year of his deal. He will still earn his paycheck. Who the hell knows how many games King will miss, and Jaire missed time last year as well. Jackson is a huge question mark and Hollman is at least a year or two away. Brown is the guy we need to step up. We are far from out of the woods as far as the CB group is concerned. Cutting Tramon would almost certainly come back to haunt them this year

Let me clarify......
When I mentioned Tramon might be nearing House territory - I wasnt thinking at the very end i.e. cut him loose time. More a "fill in where necessary" role. 

[skibrett15]

Josh Jones is no lock.  Treat every non-starter who wasn't a draft pick/free agent from this year or last year as if they are an UDFA.  They will have to earn their keep in the new scheme and new personnel department.

The same goes for Greene.

ILB is just Martinez, the rest are very flexible.  This is the area I think a trade could most help us.

Despite his production, I don't think Fackrell is a lock.

DL has lancaster as a lock? No.  If team views Daniels as the pure backup to Clark (likely, IMO) then Lancaster isn't a big need.  Not sure we're keeping 6 there either.  Adams is far from a lock as well, and either/both could be replaced with UDFA.

IOL is best competition on the team outside of WR

Kind of like Bibbs as a RB/3rd down guy.

Boyle needs to be replaced, especially with a new offensive HC.  Kizer too probably.

[FAH1223]

Sign Zach Brown.

And sign one of the veteran WRs.

Then I'll feel a lot better about the roster makeup

[OneTwoSixFive]

42 minutes ago, TheGreatZepp said:

I expect a few “surprise” cuts this year now that we’ve seen the front office and coaching changes and how Gute handled the roster last year. I am yet to be convinced if it’s going to be more of the old vets who have lost a step or the young guys who haven’t been able to put it together yet. 

If I was betting though, I think the Lewis’ and Williams’ of the team have a bit of an advantage being they know how to be a pro on the field as well as off and not just in Green Bay. 

My votes will be for the guys who have an injury history. The Geronimo Allison’s, Bryan Bulaga’s and Kevin King’s Of the team

The OL will be brutal in training camp.

Coyle, Jenkins, Madison, McCray, Patrick, Siragusa, Taylor, Light (T/G), Turner (T/G) [can't imagine Bell will be back].       9 candidates = bloodbath. Guys like (for example) Patrick, may have a tough road to ride, to make the team.

Edited April 28, 2019 by OneTwoSixFive

[FinneasGage]

3 hours ago, Golfman said:

Tony Brown is no lock! 

@CWood21 

[Chili]

I think bottom of the roster and fringe players who were drafted or signed for the Packers under TT will be under threat. Gute is going to want to give his own guys the opportunity to grow and establish themselves.

Geronimo, Taylor, McCray, Patrick, Pankey, Adams, Gilbert, J'Jones are some of the names i'm looking at.

This is my tentative 53 man roster:

QB: Rodgers, Kizer (2)

WR: Adams, MVS, Geronimo, Anime, Moore, Davis (6)

TE: Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan (4)

OL: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Turner, Jenkins, Madison, Spriggs, Siragusa, De Beer (9)

RB: A'Jones, J'Williams, D'Williams (3)

FB: Vitale (1)

S: Amos, Savage, Greene, J'Jones (4)

CB: King, Alexander, Jackson, T'Williams, Brown, Holman, Jamerson (7)

ILB: Martinez, Burks, Crawford, Summers (4)

EDGE: P'Smith, Z'Smith, Gray, Fackrell, Donnerson (5)

DL: Daniels, Clark, Lowry, Lancaster, Keke (5)

ST: Crosby, Scott, Bradley (3)

 

We have alot of depth on the OL and it makes no sense to get rid of that depth for the sake of it hence why I'm going with 9. I think Taylor and McCray are gone as they don't have the required athleticism to play in LaFleur's ZBS. Patrick and Pankey have been around a while and they still weren't good enough to land a starting spot last season. Since they are TT guys I think they're gone too.

Under McCarthy we always kept a total 5 players between our TE and FB groups. For now i'm sticking with that.

Davis and Jamerson sticks for their return abilities. Sorry Touchdown Jesus.

I think we got one too many ILB but Gute likes Crawford for ST and Summers is a draft pick. As for EDGE i'm keeping Donnerson (Gute guy) over Gilbert (TT guy). Donnerson speed and athleticism will be valuable on special teams and his speed rush will add a nice variant to our mainly power EDGE group.

The DB and DL group pretty much picks themselves. Adams hasn't kicked on and he's TT guy and is in danger of being cut.

Maybe we could carry 4 RBs in order to have a receiving / 3rd down back specialist. Could cut an OL or T'Williams or an ILB in order to do this but for now i'm sticking with three RBs.

Edited April 28, 2019 by Chili

[Golfman]

7 minutes ago, Chili said:

I think bottom of the roster and fringe players who were drafted or signed for the Packers under TT will be under threat. Gute is going to want to give his own guys the opportunity to grow and establish themselves.

Geronimo, Taylor, McCray, Patrick, Pankey, Adams, Gilbert, J'Jones are some of the names i'm looking at.

 

Lane Taylor started for 3 years. He's not a bottom of the roster guy. If he doesn't fit this blocking scheme, we will be traded for a draft pick and will start in this league for another 3-4 years if healthy. He's solid, yet unspectacular guard in this league. 

Josh Jones is going to play a lot for us this year in special packages. He's not going anywhere. 

Allison stays put unless the 3 of these four clearly beat him out: MVS, St. Brown, Moore, Kumerow.  Davis MIGHT stay for returns, if he doesn't, no way Allison is down the road. 

The rest of those guys are toast and won't get picked up elsewhere, IMO. 

[Joe]

I'm really not too excited by our UDFA class thus far to be honest with you except for Randy Ramsey...and I'm sorta lukewarm on him. 

 

QB: Rodgers, Kizer (2)

WR: D. Adams, MVS, Allison, ESB, Kumerow, Moore (6)

TE: Graham, Lewis, Sternberger, Tonyan (4)

OL: Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Turner, Jenkins, Madison, Spriggs, Pankey, Taylor (9)

RB: Jones, J. Williams, D. Williams, Carson (4)

FB: Vitale (1)

S: Amos, Savage, Greene, J. Jones (4)

CB: King, Alexander, Jackson, T'Williams, Brown, Holman (6)

ILB: Martinez, Burks, Summers (3)

EDGE: P'Smith, Z'Smith, Gary, Fackrell, Donnerson (5)

DL: Daniels, Clark, Lowry, Lancaster, Keke, M. Adams (6)

ST: Crosby, Scott, Bradley (3)

[CWood21]

12 hours ago, skibrett15 said:

Josh Jones is no lock.  Treat every non-starter who wasn't a draft pick/free agent from this year or last year as if they are an UDFA.  They will have to earn their keep in the new scheme and new personnel department.

For what is the upteenth time, you don't release draft picks unless they are squeezed out because of numbers.  Let me ask you this, are there clearly 4 safeties who are better than Josh Jones?  By my count, I'd say 2 are definitive: Savage and Amos.  We don't save money by releasing Josh Jones when you factor in their replacement.  Josh Jones will be on our roster this year.

[skibrett15]

53 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

For what is the upteenth time, you don't release draft picks unless they are squeezed out because of numbers.  Let me ask you this, are there clearly 4 safeties who are better than Josh Jones?  By my count, I'd say 2 are definitive: Savage and Amos.  We don't save money by releasing Josh Jones when you factor in their replacement.  Josh Jones will be on our roster this year.

you often release failed draft picks from failed regimes in their 3rd year for undrafted players.  Often.

You just aren't accustomed to a team that has any kind of turnover on the coaching staff.   Josh Jones is basically a scrub useless player in the eyes of pettine and gute.  Probably like the 4th ILB on the depth chart who isn't a special teams player.

Jones will be the guy they re-sign if they change the rules to an actual track meet.

There's about a dozen players who are more useful because of special teams and assignment sureness than Josh Jones, so yes, there will be 4-6 undrafted players who will likely be better than Josh Jones.  Is it possible he figures it out? sure.  But it's more likely that 2-3 of the new players on the 90 man are clearly better than Josh Jones.

 

That's fine though, you do your thing where Lane Taylor is the clear and obvious starter at guard and Geronimo Allison is the WR2 on this team.

[CWood21]

27 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

you often release failed draft picks from failed regimes in their 3rd year for undrafted players.  Often.

That were Day 1 or Day 2 picks?  No.  You release them simply because you found someone whose better.  Not someone whose the same, or similar.  Someone who is definitively better.  And I swear if you point out the Patriots as an example...

[CWood21]

29 minutes ago, skibrett15 said:

Josh Jones is basically a scrub useless player in the eyes of pettine and gute.  Probably like the 4th ILB on the depth chart who isn't a special teams player.

Yet his snaps went up as the season wore on.  For the first 7 games, Josh Jones played in 4 defensive snaps TOTAL.  In the final 9 games, he averaged 55 snaps.  So despite your opinion otherwise, he wasn't a "scrub useless player in the eyes of Pettine" like you seem to think he is.