OG_C2X Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: @OG_C2X @Frankie2Gunz Is Derek Carr a top 5 franchise QB and better than Mahomes still? yes. I am not a victim of the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/7/2019 at 10:16 PM, Frankie2Gunz said: Of course they love Carr, that is clear and rightfully so as anyone who understands football knows Carr is not the issue. You're also right that if Tua is there Mayock will pass and rightfully so. 1 What is the issue then? Our elite running game, elite offensive line, and above-average weapons in the passing game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Trade, Free Agency and the draft. Who? Who? and Who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, OG_C2X said: yes. I am not a victim of the moment. Carr sucks bro. Just accept it. He's like a lesser version of Alex Smith. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Carr 6 years GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG SACK FUM RTG 16 348 599 58.1 3,270 5.5 21 12 77 24 4 76.6 16 350 573 61.1 3,987 7.0 32 13 68 31 6 91.1 15 357 560 63.8 3,937 7.0 28 6 75 16 2 96.7 15 323 515 62.7 3,496 6.8 22 13 87 20 4 86.4 16 381 553 68.9 4,049 7.3 19 10 66 51 11 93.9 13 284 401 70.8 3,106 7.7 18 8 65 20 1 100.0 91 2043 3201 63.8 21,845 6.8 140 62 87 162 28 90.2 Smith 13 years GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT LNG SACK FUM RTG 9 84 165 50.9 875 5.3 1 11 47 29 9 40.8 16 257 442 58.1 2,890 6.5 16 16 75 35 6 74.8 7 94 193 48.7 914 4.7 2 4 45 17 6 57.2 11 225 372 60.5 2,350 6.3 18 12 73 22 3 81.5 11 204 342 59.6 2,370 6.9 14 10 62 25 4 82.1 16 273 445 61.3 3,144 7.1 17 5 56 44 5 90.7 10 153 218 70.2 1,737 8.0 13 5 55 24 3 104.1 15 308 508 60.6 3,313 6.5 23 7 71 39 4 89.1 15 303 464 65.3 3,265 7.0 18 6 70 45 3 93.4 16 307 470 65.3 3,486 7.4 20 7 80 45 2 95.4 15 328 489 67.1 3,502 7.2 15 8 80 28 5 91.2 15 341 505 67.5 4,042 8.0 26 5 79 35 1 104.7 10 205 328 62.5 2,180 6.6 10 5 52 22 3 85.7 166 3082 4941 62.4 34,068 6.9 193 101 80 410 54 87.3 Smiths best year the first 6 is Carr's worst. Carr is better than Smith according to STATISTICS and younger on a better trajectory but facts suck but not as much as Raider fans who turn on their players while they are still on the team. Yes DC needs to do better but he's not as bad as many make him out to be and he'll probably do better away from this team/fanbase. Fickle little ******* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, G said: Yes DC needs to do better but he's not as bad as many make him out to be and he'll probably do better away from this team/fanbase. Fickle little ******* Carr had a chance to cement himself as the starter here long-term, how did he respond? Below average play in 3 games that we lost by a combined 83 points. You guys all try to claim he's an elite player but he's getting severely outplayed by guys like Sam Darnold and Ryan Tannehill with the playoffs on the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, NYRaider said: You guys all try to claim he's an elite player Nobody has said that. Go back and read the last 100 pages. He has the potential but we all admit he's shell shocked since his injuries. I'll guarantee Darnold and especially Tannenhill will have slumps and the fanbase will complain about them too. Drew Lock is already being elevated to Manning status in here next to Carr. LOL He was projected to be Carr yet hallelujah Jesus is here for the Rockies and we'll never beat Lock, Pat and whoever replaces Rivers cause WE SUCK!!! LOL Come on man...Some of us are here defending Carr because he IS our QB and until otherwise we WILL point out positives. It's funny because I go negative easily but I seem to be opposite guy because I get stronger and more focused when things aren't going well. Most need things to be working well and then they can 'feel' it but lose it quickly once a challenge arises. I'm a bit off and I know that but yikes!!! EDIT: If we draft a QB they will also have my support but so will DC and competition will be good. Edited December 9, 2019 by G 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Carr had a chance to cement himself as the starter here long-term, how did he respond? Below average play in 3 games that we lost by a combined 83 points. You guys all try to claim he's an elite player but he's getting severely outplayed by guys like Sam Darnold and Ryan Tannehill with the playoffs on the line. Well, in Carrs defense, Darnold and Tannehil are much better QBs than Derek Carr. Despite some of these ridiculous fans claiming otherwise weeks ago. Darnold is an utter stud and Tannehil leads the NFL in QB Rating, Yards Per Attempt, 7-1 Record, isn’t afraid of tight windows or throwing it deep, throws guys open, and extends plays in the pocket. Tannehil is so much better than Carr it’s not even funny. Tannehil was a Top 10 pick and just needed a real team. Carr isn’t better than a lot of QBs in this league. Sits around 18-19 for me and that simply isn’t good enough to keep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: You guys all try to claim he's an elite player No. I've been defending Carr quite a bit lately but i don't think he's elite or ever will be. I'm not sure not being elite is enough reason to be replaced though. And i'm sure it's not easy to find an elite QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, G said: Nobody has said that. Go back and read the last 100 pages. @OG_C2X @Frankie2Gunz and Mr Raider Town have all said that he's an elite top 5 QB who's better than Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Darnold is an utter stud The stud couldn't lead his offense to a TD drive against the winless Bengals 1 week ago. How does this ish work exactly? If Carr does this, he's getting crucified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: @OG_C2X @Frankie2Gunz and Mr Raider Town have all said that he's an elite top 5 QB who's better than Mahomes. Gotta leave one job and go to the other so I'll have to take your word on that but I thought they were talking 'system' with Pat. I include contracts and if Dak gets paid before Pat I'd be scared to have Pat just because he could cost Carr and Mack combined. LOL Not quite but...close enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: The stud couldn't lead his offense to a TD drive against the winless Bengals 1 week ago. How does this ish work exactly? If Carr does this, he's getting crucified. Carr was terrible against the Bengals, at home and not on the road, with a wayyyy better offensive cast. Darnold has the 30th ranked Pass Protection. Raiders is Top 5. Darnold has no TE, WR core on par or worse than us. Edited December 9, 2019 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, OG_C2X said: yes. I am not a victim of the moment. The moment has been the past 3 years of Carr starting just FYI. He has shown little progression since 2016. He remains the same scared, conservative QB despite coaching and OC changes. He just is who he is at this point. The whole... build the team around him thing. Yeah, that's great and all... but what if they built the team around an actual winner instead. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: Who? Who? and Who? Tua with a trade up or Tom Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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