coachbuns Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, vegas492 said: No dog in this fight, but... The real shame concerning WR's is that Cobb and Jordy got old at the same time. Yup and no replacements to speak of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, coachbuns said: If your focus point is the Packers are within your parameter of drafting a wr every 4 yrs in the 1st 2 rounds, you are technically correct. But, that wasn't my point which was Packers haven't drafted squat at the wr position in rounds 1-4 the past 10 years. They drafted 2 wr's each at the bottom of the 2nd round with no 1st rounders whereas 85% of the NFL teams drafted at least 1 - 1st rounder at the wr position. Just curious when did pick 48 become less valuable than drafting at pick 64 just because nobody is arguing it? Bet there are 32 GM's that don't prescribe to that thought process. However, even subscribing to the theory of selecting a wr every 4 years in the 1/2 rounds, there still should be wr's chosen in round 3/4 for depth and competition. That just aint happening as Packers have used just 1 - 4th round choice out of approx. 20 3rd and 4th rounders. Can't make silk out of a pig's ear. 4/10 years they have drafted a WR in the top 4 rounds. 7/10 years they have drafted a WR. 13 of the 82 picks have been at WR which is 15.9% The picks are there they just haven't hit. Actually its 19% of the teams in the league have not drafted a WR in the first round in the last 10 years. 1st Arizona Cardinals 1 Atlanta Falcons 2 Baltimore Ravens 2 Buffalo Bills 1 Carolina Panthers 2 Chicago Bears 1 Cincinnati Bengals 2 Cleveland Browns 1 Dallas Cowboys 1 Denver Broncos 1 Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers Houston Texans 2 Indianapolis Colts 1 Jacksonville Jaguars 1 Kansas City Chiefs 1 Los Angeles Chargers 1 Los Angeles Rams 1 Miami Dolphins 1 Minnesota Vikings 2 New England Patriots 1 New Orleans Saints New York Giants 1 New York Jets Oakland Raiders 1 Philadelphia Eagles 1 Pittsburgh Steelers San Francisco 49ers 1 Seattle Seahawks Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 Tennessee Titans 2 Washington Redskins 1 Edited January 3, 2020 by Kenrik Only did 9 years. Actually its 6/32 haven't drafted WR 1st 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, vegas492 said: No dog in this fight, but... The real shame concerning WR's is that Cobb and Jordy got old at the same time. 7 minutes ago, coachbuns said: Yup and no replacements to speak of He put up 59 catches for 828 yards, 15.1 yard average and 3 TDs. Cobb got overpaid not old here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Kenrik said: 4/10 years they have drafted a WR in the top 4 rounds. 7/10 years they have drafted a WR. 13 of the 82 picks have been at WR which is 15.9% The picks are there they just haven't hit. Actually its 19% of the teams in the league have not drafted a WR in the first round in the last 10 years. 1st Arizona Cardinals 1 Atlanta Falcons 2 Baltimore Ravens 2 Buffalo Bills 1 Carolina Panthers 2 Chicago Bears 1 Cincinnati Bengals 2 Cleveland Browns 1 Dallas Cowboys 1 Denver Broncos 1 Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers Houston Texans 2 Indianapolis Colts 1 Jacksonville Jaguars 1 Kansas City Chiefs 1 Los Angeles Chargers 1 Los Angeles Rams 1 Miami Dolphins 1 Minnesota Vikings 2 New England Patriots 1 New Orleans Saints New York Giants 1 New York Jets Oakland Raiders 1 Philadelphia Eagles 1 Pittsburgh Steelers San Francisco 49ers 1 Seattle Seahawks Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 Tennessee Titans 2 Washington Redskins 1 You are correct they picked 4 times in the top 4 rounds. It's only natural they haven't hit on most of their picks cuz most picks were in the 5th 6th and 7th rounds. Again, my point being they have not drafted many quality rated wide receivers in the top 4 rounds in the last 10 years. You get usually what/where you draft. Sorry, off 4% on 1st rounders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, coachbuns said: You are correct they picked 4 times in the top 4 rounds. It's only natural they haven't hit on most of their picks cuz most picks were in the 5th 6th and 7th rounds. Again, my point being they have not drafted many quality rated wide receivers in the top 4 rounds in the last 10 years. You get usually what/where you draft. Sorry, off 4% on 1st rounders. Shoot, should I look at how many WRs teams drafted in the first 4 rounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Kenrik said: Shoot, should I look at how many WRs teams drafted in the first 4 rounds? Seems like you and I are the only ones who care enough to check this out. I'm on the road now but if you wanna check it out I would be curious too. Would be interesting to see how many other NFL teams don't really care to draft wide receivers like we have done the past 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, coachbuns said: Yup and no replacements to speak of I (kind of) disagree. If Cobb were to have played at a high level, post Jordy, it would have been Cobb with Davante. Which would have been quite good and allowed others to develop. But Cobb didn't age well (here). It thrust Adams into true #1 WR land, which he has thrived in, but it created a hole on the other side. It would have been wonderful to develop MVS, ESB and Moore slowly, but due to a lot of things, it didn't happen that way. And it's a shame. And? Time to rectify that issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Kenrik said: He put up 59 catches for 828 yards, 15.1 yard average and 3 TDs. Cobb got overpaid not old here. Cobb clearly lost a step or two. At age 28, his physical skills were already diminished. Not diminishing. Happy that he got that one year vet bump on a new team. Let's see if he can continue it next year. Over under is 720 yards. Or...who yah got next year for yards? Lazard or Cobb? One is iffy but could be ascending? One is aged coming off of his best season out of the last 4, last 5 if you could the year prior when he had one more yard with GB. Not being a smart a__ here, legit question regarding Cobb's production next year versus Lazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, vegas492 said: Cobb clearly lost a step or two. At age 28, his physical skills were already diminished. Not diminishing. Happy that he got that one year vet bump on a new team. Let's see if he can continue it next year. Over under is 720 yards. Or...who yah got next year for yards? Lazard or Cobb? One is iffy but could be ascending? One is aged coming off of his best season out of the last 4, last 5 if you could the year prior when he had one more yard with GB. Not being a smart a__ here, legit question regarding Cobb's production next year versus Lazard. Honestly, I think the numbers he put up this year are more representative of him. He had an amazing 2014 and it resulted in him getting overpaid. I would have liked to keep Cobb in the slot here but for the right price. I think it was difficult to take such a pay cut without going somewhere else and doing a 1 year prove it deal. I would still love to have Cobb in the slot as a #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kenrik said: Honestly, I think the numbers he put up this year are more representative of him. He had an amazing 2014 and it resulted in him getting overpaid. I would have liked to keep Cobb in the slot here but for the right price. I think it was difficult to take such a pay cut without going somewhere else and doing a 1 year prove it deal. I would still love to have Cobb in the slot as a #3. I don't get how Cobb was overpaid. I really don't. He had 91 catches for 1287 yards and 12 TDs. AS A FREAKING 24 YEAR OLD!!! He's exactly what you want to pay if you home grow them. Young, prime of his career still in front of him and uber productive. He excelled in that scramble drill. Had the quickness to get separation quickly and a QB that trusted him. I think the Board would have melted down if we let a 24 year old with those kind of stats get away. Injuries caught up with him. He's not as physically gifted as he was. And he was fine this year. Would have looked good in Green and Gold. But the fact that he took a one year deal for $5M shows there wasn't a ton of interest in him. And at that price for the production? Nice pick up. Kirwan said it best on Sirius XM, there are vets that plays lights out after leaving a team. Kind of an "I'll show you...." type of thing. Then they regress big time in year two and out of the league in year three. Label me skeptical that he can keep up 850 yards a year next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: The film has determined that this is a lie Did the film determine that, or the person watching the film? J/K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I don't get how Cobb was overpaid. I really don't. He had 91 catches for 1287 yards and 12 TDs. AS A FREAKING 24 YEAR OLD!!! He's exactly what you want to pay if you home grow them. Young, prime of his career still in front of him and uber productive. He excelled in that scramble drill. Had the quickness to get separation quickly and a QB that trusted him. I think the Board would have melted down if we let a 24 year old with those kind of stats get away. Injuries caught up with him. He's not as physically gifted as he was. And he was fine this year. Would have looked good in Green and Gold. But the fact that he took a one year deal for $5M shows there wasn't a ton of interest in him. And at that price for the production? Nice pick up. Kirwan said it best on Sirius XM, there are vets that plays lights out after leaving a team. Kind of an "I'll show you...." type of thing. Then they regress big time in year two and out of the league in year three. Label me skeptical that he can keep up 850 yards a year next year. I don't blame GB for overpaying. Like you just said he had an amazing year and was 24. The 2014 season was an outlier though and was also Jordy's prime in taking the top off the defense which open up all kinds off room for Cobb. Year G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD 2011 15 31 25 375 15 1 2012 15 104 80 954 11.9 8 2013 6 47 31 433 14 4 2014* 16 127 91 1287 14.1 12 2015 16 129 79 829 10.5 6 2016 13 84 60 610 10.2 4 2017 15 92 66 653 9.9 4 2018 9 61 38 383 10.1 2 2019 15 83 55 828 15.1 3 How did injuries catch up to him? He was healthy in 2015 and his production significantly dropped off. Also this happens to be the year Jordy was out. He missed 3.5 games in 2016, 1 in 2017, and 7 in 2018. He was essentially healthy until his hamstring injury in 2018 but his 2016 & 2017 significantly dropped off. He was overpaid. I dont see Cobb out of the league in 3 years. His production may drop in the next few years but he is still a good #3 option. 16-Dec-18 Head Cranial Concussion Grade 2 1 Game 8-Nov-18 Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 3 Games 27-Sep-18 Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 3 Games 17-Sep-17 Chest Sternum Bruise 1 Game 11-Dec-16 Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 2 Games 26-Oct-16 Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 1 Game 16-Jan-16 Chest Lung Puncture 1/2 Game 29-Aug-15 Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain 1 Preseason Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, coachbuns said: Seems like you and I are the only ones who care enough to check this out. I'm on the road now but if you wanna check it out I would be curious too. Would be interesting to see how many other NFL teams don't really care to draft wide receivers like we have done the past 10 years I ran the numbers below. I gave a 1 pt allocation for a 4th round pick, 2 pt for 3rd, 3pt for 2nd and 4 pt for 1st round pick for a WR. My sorts for ties went #1 tiebreaker was 1st round picks, #2 tiebreaker was 2nd round picks, etc. So we have allocated the 4th lowest top 4 round draft picks towards WR. I dont see a correlation with winning %. 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Allocation Tennessee Titans 2 3 2 21 Carolina Panthers 2 2 2 1 19 Los Angeles Rams 1 2 2 5 19 Arizona Cardinals 1 2 3 1 17 Seattle Seahawks 3 2 4 17 Cincinnati Bengals 2 1 2 1 16 Houston Texans 2 3 2 16 Jacksonville Jaguars 1 3 3 16 San Francisco 49ers 1 2 1 4 16 Baltimore Ravens 2 1 1 2 15 Denver Broncos 1 2 2 1 15 Pittsburgh Steelers 2 4 1 15 Philadelphia Eagles 1 2 1 1 13 Buffalo Bills 1 2 1 1 13 New York Giants 1 2 1 12 Indianapolis Colts 1 2 1 12 Cleveland Browns 1 1 5 12 Chicago Bears 1 2 1 11 New England Patriots 1 1 1 2 11 Kansas City Chiefs 1 1 1 2 11 New York Jets 2 1 3 11 Minnesota Vikings 2 2 10 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 1 1 1 10 New Orleans Saints 1 1 1 1 10 Miami Dolphins 1 1 1 1 10 Atlanta Falcons 2 1 9 Washington Redskins 1 2 1 9 Dallas Cowboys 1 2 1 9 Green Bay Packers 2 1 1 9 Los Angeles Chargers 1 2 8 Detroit Lions 2 1 8 Oakland Raiders 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, vegas492 said: I (kind of) disagree. If Cobb were to have played at a high level, post Jordy, it would have been Cobb with Davante. Which would have been quite good and allowed others to develop. But Cobb didn't age well (here). It thrust Adams into true #1 WR land, which he has thrived in, but it created a hole on the other side. It would have been wonderful to develop MVS, ESB and Moore slowly, but due to a lot of things, it didn't happen that way. And it's a shame. And? Time to rectify that issue. And they missed on Montgomery as a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Same info but sorted by # of picks 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Allocation # Picks Los Angeles Rams 1 2 2 5 19 10 Seattle Seahawks 3 2 4 17 9 San Francisco 49ers 1 2 1 4 16 8 Tennessee Titans 2 3 2 21 7 Carolina Panthers 2 2 2 1 19 7 Houston Texans 2 3 2 16 7 Jacksonville Jaguars 1 3 3 16 7 Arizona Cardinals 1 2 3 1 17 7 Cleveland Browns 1 1 5 12 7 Pittsburgh Steelers 2 4 1 15 7 Cincinnati Bengals 2 1 2 1 16 6 Baltimore Ravens 2 1 1 2 15 6 Denver Broncos 1 2 2 1 15 6 New York Jets 2 1 3 11 6 Philadelphia Eagles 1 2 1 1 13 5 Buffalo Bills 1 2 1 1 13 5 New England Patriots 1 1 1 2 11 5 Kansas City Chiefs 1 1 1 2 11 5 Minnesota Vikings 2 2 10 4 New York Giants 1 2 1 12 4 Indianapolis Colts 1 2 1 12 4 Chicago Bears 1 2 1 11 4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 1 1 1 10 4 New Orleans Saints 1 1 1 1 10 4 Miami Dolphins 1 1 1 1 10 4 Washington Redskins 1 2 1 9 4 Dallas Cowboys 1 2 1 9 4 Green Bay Packers 2 1 1 9 4 Atlanta Falcons 2 1 9 3 Los Angeles Chargers 1 2 8 3 Detroit Lions 2 1 8 3 Oakland Raiders 1 1 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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