MacReady Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, coachbuns said: LOL. Doesn't fit your thoughts/agenda so you dismiss and minimalize. Well done. Sports Info Solutions is saying Rodgers is the best in the NFL. If Football Info Answers said Rodgers is the worst QB in the league I would think the same of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, coachbuns said: LOL. Doesn't fit your thoughts/agenda so you dismiss and minimalize. Well done. What is there to discuss? There's no methodology posted. It's just a list. If you don't post your methodology, your list flys in the face of conventional wisdom (even the most serious Rodgers homers aren't going to sit here and argue he was the best QB in the league this year), and the presentation is mediocre, you're going to be dismissed. There's nothing posted to even try to refute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 42 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I mean . . . What is it? How is it measured? I can say that Rodgers is 17th in the league in Incog points and that doesn't mean anything? Also Aaron Rodgers himself doesn't believe he was the best QB in the league this year. There's a link to how it's calculated in the tweet itself. For passing: Quote Pass Attempts Each pass attempt gets split into four portions: the throw, the catch, yards after catch before contact, and yards after contact. For any throw, we take the value of the route at the intended depth in terms of its completion rate and interception rate and give the quarterback a big chunk of that value. A similar basis is used to estimate how much of the two YAC components we expect, and we give the receiver credit based on the difference in EPA between what he achieved and what was expected. The receiver and quarterback split the value of the throw, air yards, and yards after catch before contact, while the receiver gets the after-contact value on his own. Beyond that, we ensure off-target throws don’t hurt the receiver and drops don’t hurt the quarterback. So basically they look at the play, decide what was the call based on the limited info available, then grade however they see fit. As subjective as subjective can be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said: Depends on the resources you are talking about. The Packers offense is lagging way behind the defense when it comes to high draft picks being spent on that side of the ball compared to the defense. We go defense nearly every year in round one of the draft. The only 1st rounders on offense are Rodgers (2005), and Bulaga (2010). The only 2nd rounders are Adams and Jenkins. Yea, I guess Bakhtiari & AJones suck because they weren’t high draft picks~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I mean . . . What is it? How is it measured? I can say that Rodgers is 17th in the league in Incog points and that doesn't mean anything? Also Aaron Rodgers himself doesn't believe he was the best QB in the league this year. Try reading the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, coachbuns said: LOL. Doesn't fit your thoughts/agenda so you dismiss and minimalize. Well done. I mean, nobody has ever heard of this **** before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Try reading the link? I did. There's nothing in the link about methodology. There's a vague portion about how they break up value, but that's not near enough information to be about to verify anything they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Norm said: I mean, nobody has ever heard of this **** before. I've heard of Sport and Info Solutions. If you live in Milwaukee they have two guys that are guests often on the sports talk stations here to talk NFL (not just Packers). They've been around awhile. Analytics, fantasy ff and gambling most often is what I've seen there stuff used for. I only posted because I knew those two would have a heart attack to see a metric that shows Rodgers being good. And sure as hell, we're right where I thought lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaire_Island Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 53 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Yes, it is our 15th in points scored ranking that has us at 13-3. That tracks magnificently. Doesn’t matter. We don’t have that record without QB making critical plays when game was on the line and D making critical stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 55 minutes ago, Norm said: I mean, nobody has ever heard of this **** before. Now you have. Another source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: What is there to discuss? There's no methodology posted. It's just a list. If you don't post your methodology, your list flys in the face of conventional wisdom (even the most serious Rodgers homers aren't going to sit here and argue he was the best QB in the league this year), and the presentation is mediocre, you're going to be dismissed. There's nothing posted to even try to refute. Just another source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I mean . . . What is it? How is it measured? I can say that Rodgers is 17th in the league in Incog points and that doesn't mean anything? Also Aaron Rodgers himself doesn't believe he was the best QB in the league this year. Comfortably behind Taco Wallace and Brian Moorman. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 6 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Sure, but if you have literally the highest paid offense in the league, you need to be better than 15th in points scored. While true, there can be multiple issues that cause a team to not be better. The blame doesn't have to fall on one issue alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Either our talent is vastly overpaid (Graham, Rodgers) or our coaching is a problem. There's 25 guys playing regularly on a football team, not including specialists. 4 of them are targets. 2 Safeties, 3 CBs, 1 ILB, 2 Edge Rushers, 3 DL 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR, 2 OT, 2 OG, 1 OC That's 22 spots. Even if you assume you shouldn't draft a RB or IOL with a first or second round pick, that's still 18 spots that need draft love. 14/18 aren't targets, in an ideal world you're usually only going to draft a Target with one of those top 2 picks once every 4ish years. That's assuming you hit on all the other spots, most of which are more impactful. You shouldn't be spending top 60 picks on WRs every other year. By golly, you are right. Graham is way, way over paid and the coaching and it's staff in it's first year has had some issues as any new system installed would have. Also, here's some fun facts regarding our wr's drafted the past 10 years: Only 1 was under the top 60 picks plus just 2 wr's have been chosen under the top 130. Breakdown of Packer wr's drafted past 10 years: 2010 0 chosen .... 2011 Cobb 2nd rd # 64 .... 2012 0 chosen .... 2013 Johnson rd 7 # 216 / Dorsey rd 7 # 224 .... 2014 Adams rd 2 #53 / Abbrederis rd 5 #176 Janis rd 7 # 236 .... 2015 0 chosen .... 2016 Davis rd 5 #163 .... 2017 Yancey rd 5 # 175 / Dupre rd 7 # 247 .... 2018 Moore rd 4 # 133 / Scantling rd 5 # 174 / Brown rd 6 # 207 .... 2019 0 chosen Packers highest wr choice was Adams at #53 with Cobb next at #64 and that's it for the past 10 years for any GB wr in top 130 picks. Those were late 2nd round picks at that. In fact, there was a total of 8 wr chosen over that 10 year time span. Point being, Packers have been well below even what your suggestion for wr selection in an ideal world of every 4ish years should be. No 1st round, no 3rd round and only 1 4th in 10 years ... pretty slim pickings for that skilled position. Draft choice selection per round: 2nd round .. 2 picks; 4th rd; 1; 5th 4 picks; 6th 1 pick; 7th 4 picks Packers have also sorely neglected wr for the past 10 years especially in the 3rd and 4th round where talent could be found. Not going to find much in rounds 5,6,7 as shown over that time span. Using above draft stats, it's a wonder the Packers have done as well as they have with a lack of drafted quality receivers over the past 10 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Packerraymond said: I've heard of Sport and Info Solutions. If you live in Milwaukee they have two guys that are guests often on the sports talk stations here to talk NFL (not just Packers). They've been around awhile. Analytics, fantasy ff and gambling most often is what I've seen there stuff used for. I only posted because I knew those two would have a heart attack to see a metric that shows Rodgers being good. And sure as hell, we're right where I thought lol. Reported for trolling. Can we get back to how to cure Ebola please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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