AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, minnypackerfan said: Wait till people find out that the pay for our TE position group is in the top 5 of the league....maybe even the most in the league. Everybody agrees Graham is mediocre and vastly overpaid. But Graham being mediocre and overpaid isnt killing this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said: Depends on the resources you are talking about. The Packers offense is lagging way behind the defense when it comes to high draft picks being spent on that side of the ball compared to the defense. We go defense nearly every year in round one of the draft. The only 1st rounders on offense are Rodgers (2005), and Bulaga (2010). The only 2nd rounders are Adams and Jenkins. Sure, but if you have literally the highest paid offense in the league, you need to be better than 15th in points scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dubz41 said: This is where stats get in the way. We're the highest paid offense because we re-sign our talent. We have lost some of the balance of getting production out of rookie contracts. Yes, Aaron Jones is on his rookie contract and we are damn lucky he turned out, but now is he in line to get that second contract as a RB? The problem is we haven't had any young picks develop over the last three years other than Jones (looking at you Spriggs). We just don't have the base talent to develop, especially at WR. All that being said, seeing Rodgers miss guys is tough to swallow. Part of the problem is that a few years ago he was sooooo damn good it is hard to watch. So, we need an influx of base talent at WR. Lazard could be a good #3. My wish for our new #2 is Brandon Aiyuk, AZ St. in the second round. Either our talent is vastly overpaid (Graham, Rodgers) or our coaching is a problem. There's 25 guys playing regularly on a football team, not including specialists. 4 of them are targets. 2 Safeties, 3 CBs, 1 ILB, 2 Edge Rushers, 3 DL 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR, 2 OT, 2 OG, 1 OC That's 22 spots. Even if you assume you shouldn't draft a RB or IOL with a first or second round pick, that's still 18 spots that need draft love. 14/18 aren't targets, in an ideal world you're usually only going to draft a Target with one of those top 2 picks once every 4ish years. That's assuming you hit on all the other spots, most of which are more impactful. You shouldn't be spending top 60 picks on WRs every other year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaire_Island Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Everybody agrees Graham is mediocre and vastly overpaid. But Graham being mediocre and overpaid isnt killing this offense. It contributes. He was dropping lot of balls. He would have fumbled the ball too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Jaire_Island said: It contributes. He was dropping lot of balls. He would have fumbled the ball too. He's got 3 drops and 1 fumble (which I believe we recovered, could be wrong) on the year. Rodgers has already lost 4 fumbles on the year. We give him a pass on those though, because reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jaire_Island said: It contributes. He was dropping lot of balls. He would have fumbled the ball too. Graham has been awful .. he's a part of the problem for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaire_Island Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: He's got 3 drops and 1 fumble (which I believe we recovered, could be wrong) on the year. Rodgers has already lost 4 fumbles on the year. We give him a pass on those though, because reasons. They were breaking the flow of the game. Allison has the same issues all year. That’s 2 out of your top 4 targets has issues. When receiving core is mediocre, QB’s tend to struggle more than expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 46 minutes ago, Jaire_Island said: They were breaking the flow of the game. Allison has the same issues all year. That’s 2 out of your top 4 targets has issues. When receiving core is mediocre, QB’s tend to struggle more than expected. Good QBs overcome drops and setbacks. When receiving corps are mediocre, good QBs overcome and elevate. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Our crappy QB led the NFL in this probably flawed and irrelevant analytics metric. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Good QBs overcome drops and setbacks. When receiving corps are mediocre, good QBs overcome and elevate. True to a point. Thinking offensive play calling and schemes comes into play even more so as a QB gets older. You don't see many teams with older qb's throwing longer down the field … you see short, out of the hand and move the chains passing. Brees and, Brady have done this very well the past few years. That being said, Rodgers must do that with accuracy and confidence or the Packers are going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Our crappy QB led the NFL in this probably flawed and irrelevant analytics metric. I mean . . . What is it? How is it measured? I can say that Rodgers is 17th in the league in Incog points and that doesn't mean anything? Also Aaron Rodgers himself doesn't believe he was the best QB in the league this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaire_Island Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Good QBs overcome drops and setbacks. When receiving corps are mediocre, good QBs overcome and elevate. That’s why we are 13-3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Lol. Sports Info Solutions with a logo designed by a graphic designer Freshman at a community college trying to pay for Ramen noodles and Peppermint Schnapps is being used to defend Aron Rodgers now. 9/10 chance Rodgers has stock in the company. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jaire_Island said: That’s why we are 13-3 Yes, it is our 15th in points scored ranking that has us at 13-3. That tracks magnificently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Lol. Sports Info Solutions with a logo designed by a graphic designer Freshman at a community college trying to pay for Ramen noodles and Peppermint Schnapps is being used to defend Aron Rodgers now. 9/10 chance Rodgers has stock in the company. LOL. Doesn't fit your thoughts/agenda so you dismiss and minimalize. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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