Fatgerman Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Did you eat Fatpig? ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatgerman Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Tomahawk said: I am aware of the differences between an ILB and a DE, and their respective rolls. I am willing to put money on Clark's regression this year with the Chiefs. He is NOT a top 20 DE. I've watched a lot of the tape. I am not stating we can get more than a 2nd rounder for Schobert. I am suggesting that IF(And it's a BIG IF) we trade Schobert, it is going to take similar compensation from a desperate team. We are not going to weaken our starting core to draft someone in the 3rd round or later and hope he is good enough. While Dorsey is high on Avery, I don't think a second rounder is going to be enough to get him to trade. Isn't it amazing how two people can watch the same tape and see two totally different things? I see Clark as a top 20 DE. I'm trying to think of 20 better DEs. Can't do it. I guess my point is: opinions on players are subjective, no matter how much tape you watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Fatgerman said: Isn't it amazing how two people can watch the same tape and see two totally different things? I see Clark as a top 20 DE. I'm trying to think of 20 better DEs. Can't do it. I guess my point is: opinions on players are subjective, no matter how much tape you watch. Opinions and PFF are subjective, but All 22 Film never lies amirite @Mind Character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatgerman Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, NateDawg said: Opinions and PFF are subjective, but All 22 Film never lies amirite @Mind Character. The all 22 is still subjective, dependent on the interpretation of the viewer, otherwise every GM would be a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomahawk Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Fatgerman said: Isn't it amazing how two people can watch the same tape and see two totally different things? I see Clark as a top 20 DE. I'm trying to think of 20 better DEs. Can't do it. I guess my point is: opinions on players are subjective, no matter how much tape you watch. Myles Garrett Khalil Mack Joey Bosa Cameron Jordan Demarcus Lawrence Michael Bennett Ezekiel Ansah Calais Campbell Jason Pierre-Paul Cameron Wake Trey Flowers Julius Peppers Chandler Jones Everson Griffen Yannick Ngakoue Melvin Ingram Mario Addison Brandon Graham Carlos Dunlap Marcus Golden Hell throw in 3-4 DEs and you have at a minimum: Aaron Donald Leonard Williams JJ Watt Muhammad Wilkerson Cam Heyward And I could probably go through and find at least 10 more.... Is Frank Clark a solid DE? Absolutely. I just think his success last year was more a product of scheme, and play around him, than of his own doing. I could easily be proven wrong this year if he makes 10+ sacks again. But I thhink it was a fluke year, not a testament to how he will play year in and year out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 @Tomahawk, there are some questionable names on that list 😂 Clark didn’t really have a fluke year, he had 9 sacks in ‘17 and 10 in ‘16. Is he a top 5-10 DE? No, probably not. Is he worth what it cost to get him? Idk, we’ll see, but I’d say no as of now. But I think you’re on an island without much company if you don’t think he’s a top 25 player at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomahawk Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: But I think you’re on an island without much company if you don’t think he’s a top 25 player at his position. I like living on my own little island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: @Tomahawk, there are some questionable names on that list 😂 Clark didn’t really have a fluke year, he had 9 sacks in ‘17 and 10 in ‘16. Is he a top 5-10 DE? No, probably not. Is he worth what it cost to get him? Idk, we’ll see, but I’d say no as of now. But I think you’re on an island without much company if you don’t think he’s a top 25 player at his position. Well Clark is clearly better than Peppers cause he retired Ansah is still an unsigned free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomahawk Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Wasn't aware Peppers retired, and that's what I get from mostly going by memory on the top 10. Ansah is likely signing with Baltimore. He needs to be medically cleared to play from his shoulder injury, which is expected to be August. That is why he is still unsigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 51 minutes ago, Tomahawk said: Myles Garrett Khalil Mack Joey Bosa Cameron Jordan Demarcus Lawrence Michael Bennett Ezekiel Ansah Calais Campbell Jason Pierre-Paul Cameron Wake Trey Flowers Julius Peppers Chandler Jones Everson Griffen Yannick Ngakoue Melvin Ingram Mario Addison Brandon Graham Carlos Dunlap Marcus Golden Hell throw in 3-4 DEs and you have at a minimum: Aaron Donald Leonard Williams JJ Watt Muhammad Wilkerson Cam Heyward And I could probably go through and find at least 10 more.... Is Frank Clark a solid DE? Absolutely. I just think his success last year was more a product of scheme, and play around him, than of his own doing. I could easily be proven wrong this year if he makes 10+ sacks again. But I thhink it was a fluke year, not a testament to how he will play year in and year out. Tf??? 😂 that list is...well, it’s hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomahawk Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, pnies20 said: Tf??? 😂 that list is...well, it’s hilarious. Glad I could give you a laugh. Granted I didn't watch everyone on that list last year, and I was going off of memory from years passed. But sacks are not the only thing of value when it comes to the DE position. I just don't see Frank Clark as worth what the Chiefs gave up to get him(especially considering what the 49ers gave to the Chiefs for Ford). And I don't see Clark anywhere near worth the money they paid them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Tomahawk said: I just don't see Frank Clark as worth what the Chiefs gave up to get him(especially considering what the 49ers gave to the Chiefs for Ford). And I don't see Clark anywhere near worth the money they paid them. I think we all (except maybe @Fatgerman) agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginaldm9 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Lol 20 names in front of Frank Clark. My man is talking out of his defensive end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Tomahawk said: Ezekiel Ansah Calais Campbell Jason Pierre-Paul Cameron Wake Julius Peppers Everson Griffen Mario Addison Brandon Graham Carlos Dunlap Marcus Golden ...really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Fatgerman said: ?? An old poster here, went by the name fatpig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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