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36 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Lester Cotton is giving Ferrell competitive reps. Maybe we shouldn't have drafted him so high... 

Any time I see this junk, I think back to the "fans" saying Mack was a bust after his first preseason because he didn't get a sack until the final game against the 3rd string players.

It's 3 practices... Maybe, show some restraint. Rookies on the Dline take time to adjust to the speed and the overall mental aspects of the game.

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21 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said:

I really hope Joseph can improve and be here long term.

Same, and tbh he played quite well later in the year. I was livid when those rumors came out about us trying to trade him. He has his limitations but he is a solid starting S in the NFL at worst.

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8 hours ago, Rich7sena said:

Time will tell with Ferrell. But the more I think about it the more I believe he probably wouldn't have been the pick if the team didn't already have two other first-rounders. It seems like Mayock really wanted to hit three doubles and gain the trust of the coaching staff with those picks. I'm most happy with the Jacobs pick, and I also like Abram, but I'd be surprised if Ferrell became an elite player in the NFL. I also think there's a reasonable chance he doesn't re-sign after his rookie deal. But, I'd be surprised if he becomes an outright bust, though.

It reminds me of the Tyson Jackson pick the Chiefs made in 09 I believe. They were switching to a 3-4 defense, and he was like the only 3-4 DE in that class with a first round grade so they reached and took him at #3 because of scheme fit.

I feel like after Bosa, Ferrell was the only DE who fit what PG likes. 6'4 +, long and big, able to set the edge and hold up in the run game. However, I just never believed the prototypical DE in the Paul Guenther defense warranted a top 5 selection but we did it.

I dont believe Ferrell will ever be the guy you ideally want as your teams best edge rusher. If he can develop into a poor man's Jadeveon Clowney (6-8 sacks per year, good run defense ) I guess I can't be too upset with the pick. But when picking top 5, you want star players and I dont believe Ferrell will ever be that.

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Joseph and Abram seem to be getting along very nicely. I hope that not having an elderly Reggie Nelson playing next to him allows him to open up his game and be that player that I saw out of West Virginia. 

This is the best talent the Raiders have had in the secondary in a long time. With Joyner strictly being a slot CB. Your gonna have to produce to get some playing time. 

I hope the Raiders take a chance on Nick Perry. He's had a bad year last year but has had an 11 sack season before. Would be nice to bring in another EDGE rusher instead of more DT's. 

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46 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said:

It reminds me of the Tyson Jackson pick the Chiefs made in 09 I believe. They were switching to a 3-4 defense, and he was like the only 3-4 DE in that class with a first round grade so they reached and took him at #3 because of scheme fit.

I feel like after Bosa, Ferrell was the only DE who fit what PG likes. 6'4 +, long and big, able to set the edge and hold up in the run game. However, I just never believed the prototypical DE in the Paul Guenther defense warranted a top 5 selection but we did it.

I dont believe Ferrell will ever be the guy you ideally want as your teams best edge rusher. If he can develop into a poor man's Jadeveon Clowney (6-8 sacks per year, good run defense ) I guess I can't be too upset with the pick. But when picking top 5, you want star players and I dont believe Ferrell will ever be that.

I agree with some of it. Not an exciting pick in terms of ceiling for Ferrel. But his floor is probably what u wrote. 6-8 sacks and solid run d. So of he gets 9-11 sacks a few years with that same run def. You'd have to say that's a good pick. And need to add to it.

 

I expect a jump from key and pj hall in sack production.

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5 hours ago, big_palooka said:

Any time I see this junk, I think back to the "fans" saying Mack was a bust after his first preseason because he didn't get a sack until the final game against the 3rd string players.

It's 3 practices... Maybe, show some restraint. Rookies on the Dline take time to adjust to the speed and the overall mental aspects of the game.

 People forget that Ferrell like Mack was a run stopper first and then became a pass rusher.

 

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1 hour ago, SilverNBlackFan said:

It reminds me of the Tyson Jackson pick the Chiefs made in 09 I believe. They were switching to a 3-4 defense, and he was like the only 3-4 DE in that class with a first round grade so they reached and took him at #3 because of scheme fit.

I feel like after Bosa, Ferrell was the only DE who fit what PG likes. 6'4 +, long and big, able to set the edge and hold up in the run game. However, I just never believed the prototypical DE in the Paul Guenther defense warranted a top 5 selection but we did it.

I dont believe Ferrell will ever be the guy you ideally want as your teams best edge rusher. If he can develop into a poor man's Jadeveon Clowney (6-8 sacks per year, good run defense ) I guess I can't be too upset with the pick. But when picking top 5, you want star players and I dont believe Ferrell will ever be that.

 Dude he was never drafted to be a pass rushing  specialist, He was drafted to be a solid three down DE.

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