Kiwibrown Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, pnies20 said: Dudes off his rocker He had a break down, sounda bipolar, not insane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) To keep or cut Olivier Vernon Calculation (i.e., Can we readily replace him this off-season?): 1.) Is there a potential quality starting DE available where we select in round 1 and 2? -- Answer: Round 1 maybe (AJ Epenesa; Julian Okwara); Round 2 maybe if Okwara falls. 2.) If so, is it worth selecting those players over other players at 10th overall and 42 overall? -- Answer: No, Epenesa is a nice prospect but there's a lot of question marks so it would not be worth it at 10th overall to take Epenesa over the premium OTs, or even other better prospects at less needy positional groups like CeeDee Lamb, Jerry Jeudy, Javon Kinlaw, Krisitan Fulton, Derrick Brown, or Isaiah Simmons. --- It may make more sense if we traded down some then selected the DEs. At 42 overall, a Okwara selection over likely other more quality player OLineman and other positions will make it a tough call. How good is Okwara anyway? Is he really a longterm solution we want to spend a 2nd round pick on when we might be able to get a more sure-fire longterm solution at another position at 42? 3.) Are there quality starting DEs available in Free Agency? --- Yes, but at what cost? Free agency (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/defensive-end/) --- We can go out and break the bank 54 Mil GTD or more for guys like Yannick Ngakoue or Jadaveon Clowney based on their market value projections. --- We can go out and Pay 30-34 Mil GTD for a guy like Robert Quinn. --- We could go budget shopping and pay 15 Mil to 30 Mil GTD with a cap hit over at least 2 years for Jabaal Sheard, Michael Bennett, Vic Beasley, Shaq Lawson, Ronald Blair, or Emmanuel Ogbah. 4.) Is it likely we can/should replace Vernon in the draft? --- Doubtful. The value at 10 and 42 along with the quality of players available at this point seem to suggest it would not be a quality decision to spend that capital on a DE. 5.) Is it likely we can/should replace Vernon via free agency? -- Maybe, but would any of those players be longterm solutions? Would spending more GTD money and incurring bigger cap hits over multiple years be worth it relative to Vernon? 6.) So, what should we do? -- Keep Vernon as a 1-year bridge restructured deal to next year's draft and free agency, hope he's able to remain more healthy throughout the season, and cut him at the end of the year with no cap penalty. Edited February 18, 2020 by Mind Character 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseunit Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 this ones for you @Mind Character https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/usc-michael-pittman-2020-senior-bowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Everson griffen for 2 years, better pass rusher, probably cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Mind Character said: -- Keep Vernon as a 1-year bridge to next year's draft and free agency, hope he's able to remain more healthy throughout the season, and cut him at the end of the year with no cap penalty. Not really debating any of your points but we can cut him now with no penalty and save 15. He’a also an UFA at years end too for whatever that’s worth (comp pick?) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Not sure why keeping Vernon is important given his injury history. Same for Kirksey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Not really debating any of your points but we can cut him now with no penalty and save 15. He’a also an UFA at years end too for whatever that’s worth (comp pick?) Its gery optimistic to bet in favor of someone performing well when they are injured every year, getting older, Odds are the 15 million could be spent better else where, im tuinkong conklin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I’ve seen Andrew Thomas being mocked to us in almost every mock I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 Can we stop wanting to cut guys just because they’re older? You same guys would shudder looking at the Patriots roster the last 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Dawgpoun8017 said: I’ve seen Andrew Thomas being mocked to us in almost every mock I see There’s no way I see that happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, candyman93 said: There’s no way I see that happening It’s possible if people become enamored with wirfs and Ellis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: He had a break down, sounda bipolar, not insane A psychotic episode can be a single event... could be chemically induced... Could be something else... Not trying to add that To the locker room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, pnies20 said: A psychotic episode can be a single event... could be chemically induced... Could be something else... Not trying to add that To the locker room I have no idea what you’re referring to, but whoever it is gets a hard pass from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 We should all be sending positive vibes to Justin Herbert all week so that his Senior Bowl performance pushes Jedrick Wills Jr. to us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Mind Character said: We should all be sending positive vibes to Justin Herbert all week so that his Senior Bowl performance pushes Jedrick Wills Jr. to us. 10 is a nice spot for a trade down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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