NudeTayne Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Castonzo makes a ton of sense, but I thought they resigned him. They should. 🤫🤐 Don't bring any attention to it here and the Colts might forget to re-sign him. (yes, he's about to be a free agent, is 31, productive, healthy) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: So he’s like a better nate solder? When solder was on the pats everyone thought he was great yet gronk was always lined up next to him blocking. I’d still take a chance on him. He’s still young and can develop he’s missed a good amount of time and has a lot of talent. Oh he's a lot better than Solder even at his apex. He's still a good player for sure, but is he worth top Tackle in the league money? With his deficiencies if we have to allocate top Tackle cap space, it's just I'd rather put it on Antony Castonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: 🤫🤐 Don't bring any attention to it here and the Colts might forget to re-sign him. (yes, he's about to be a free agent, is 31, productive, healthy) I thought he was going to retire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: 🤫🤐 Don't bring any attention to it here and the Colts might forget to re-sign him. (yes, he's about to be a free agent, is 31, productive, healthy) Aww crap. Apparently, Castonzo is considering retirement if he doesn't go back to the Colts. (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2020/01/21/colts-still-waiting-anthony-castonzos-retirement-decision/4534739002/ Even though he's at the height of his powers and game that takes him out the picture. The Browns issue is with more organizational turnover, a not well established GM and HC, and a poorly perceived ownership group we've somehow found ourselves back in that position where Free Agents might not want to come here unless we pay a serious premium. Even then they still might say no (i.e., Tony Jefferson). I wonder how Andrew Berry and DePo see signing an injury porne 31 year old Tackle at top dollar like a Bryan Bulaga. Likely they're not on-board with that. I think they should be as there's no bigger year for Baker, our offense, and new Coach than this first year. Have a stabilizing force could do wonders. It's also what makes me worried about potentially starting one or two rookie tackles. No matter who they are or how good they are they are going to struggle their rookie year most likely. I'm down for drafting rookies, but I'm more for filling 2 of our 3 open stating OLine spots with veteran starters a la the Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson route. If the rookie beats out the guy, then so be it, but we need a contingency plan. The starting caliber tackles that appear likely to hit the market are: Jack Conklin, RT Titans (26yo), DJ Humphries (26yo), Halapoulivaati Vaitai (27yo), Bryan Bulaga (31yo), Anthony Castonzo (31yo). With Bulaga, any injury that can happen will happen. Vaitai's still a project football-wise but he'll be the cheapest of them all and probably wouldn't mind coming here if Berry could recruit him. I don't know how good he'll be though. So, it probably does come down to DJ Humprhies and Jack Conklin if the Browns want to use free agency to fill a starting Tackle position. People aren't going to like it, but Greg Robinson might be a better option than Humphries at Left Tackle. His play by a wide variety of metrics suggest that's the case. Conklin will likely have a wide-variety of options. It might be advantageous for the Browns to sign Halapoulivaati Vaitai and Greg Robinson then draft 2 rookies to see if they can beat out the vets right away and/or be ready to step in as the season goes on. The same goes for the Guard spot as we'd likely miss out on a Brandon Scherff, but have a shot at a Graham Glasgow. Sign Glasgow and hope Drew Forbes or more likely another draft pick can upgrade that spot in time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mind Character said: Aww crap. Apparently, Castonzo is considering retirement if he doesn't go back to the Colts. (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2020/01/21/colts-still-waiting-anthony-castonzos-retirement-decision/4534739002/ Even though he's at the height of his powers and game that takes him out the picture. The Browns issue is with more organizational turnover, a not well established GM and HC, and a poorly perceived ownership group we've somehow found ourselves back in that position where Free Agents might not want to come here unless we pay a serious premium. Even then they still might say no (i.e., Tony Jefferson). I wonder how Andrew Berry and DePo see signing an injury porne 31 year old Tackle at top dollar like a Bryan Bulaga. Likely they're not on-board with that. I think they should be as there's no bigger year for Baker, our offense, and new Coach than this first year. Have a stabilizing force could do wonders. It's also what makes me worried about potentially starting one or two rookie tackles. No matter who they are or how good they are they are going to struggle their rookie year most likely. I'm down for drafting rookies, but I'm more for filling 2 of our 3 open stating OLine spots with veteran starters a la the Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson route. If the rookie beats out the guy, then so be it, but we need a contingency plan. The starting caliber tackles that appear likely to hit the market are: Jack Conklin, RT Titans (26yo), DJ Humphries (26yo), Halapoulivaati Vaitai (27yo), Bryan Bulaga (31yo), Anthony Castonzo (31yo). With Bulaga, any injury that can happen will happen. Vaitai's still a project football-wise but he'll be the cheapest of them all and probably wouldn't mind coming here if Berry could recruit him. I don't know how good he'll be though. So, it probably does come down to DJ Humprhies and Jack Conklin if the Browns want to use free agency to fill a starting Tackle position. Very reasonable post. Here's a digital football. Quote but Greg Robinson Oh Quote It might be advantageous for the Browns to sign Halapoulivaati Vaitai and Greg Robinson then draft 2 rookies to see if they can beat out the vets right away and/or be ready to step in as the season goes on. The same goes for the Guard spot as we'd likely miss out on a Brandon Scherff, but have a shot at a Graham Glasgow. Sign Glasgow and hope Drew Forbes or more likely another draft pick can upgrade that spot in time. If we think Robinson is made for the ZBS, then maybe. But honestly I just kinda want him gone unless it's backup money. Him and Hubbard, yuck. I just don't agree with those--not saying this is you--who keep saying he's not party of the problem on the line. I'd rather take a swing on Vaitai and Glasgow, then also draft two (or three) rookies and see what we have with Forbes. Edited February 2, 2020 by NudeTayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Mind Character said: Aww crap. Apparently, Castonzo is considering retirement if he doesn't go back to the Colts. (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2020/01/21/colts-still-waiting-anthony-castonzos-retirement-decision/4534739002/ Even though he's at the height of his powers and game that takes him out the picture. The Browns issue is with more organizational turnover, a not well established GM and HC, and a poorly perceived ownership group we've somehow found ourselves back in that position where Free Agents might not want to come here unless we pay a serious premium. Even then they still might say no (i.e., Tony Jefferson). I wonder how Andrew Berry and DePo see signing an injury porne 31 year old Tackle at top dollar like a Bryan Bulaga. Likely they're not on-board with that. I think they should be as there's no bigger year for Baker, our offense, and new Coach than this first year. Have a stabilizing force could do wonders. It's also what makes me worried about potentially starting one or two rookie tackles. No matter who they are or how good they are they are going to struggle their rookie year most likely. I'm down for drafting rookies, but I'm more for filling 2 of our 3 open stating OLine spots with veteran starters a la the Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson route. If the rookie beats out the guy, then so be it, but we need a contingency plan. The starting caliber tackles that appear likely to hit the market are: Jack Conklin, RT Titans (26yo), DJ Humphries (26yo), Halapoulivaati Vaitai (27yo), Bryan Bulaga (31yo), Anthony Castonzo (31yo). With Bulaga, any injury that can happen will happen. Vaitai's still a project football-wise but he'll be the cheapest of them all and probably wouldn't mind coming here if Berry could recruit him. I don't know how good he'll be though. So, it probably does come down to DJ Humprhies and Jack Conklin if the Browns want to use free agency to fill a starting Tackle position. People aren't going to like it, but Greg Robinson might be a better option than Humphries at Left Tackle. His play by a wide variety of metrics suggest that's the case. Conklin will likely have a wide-variety of options. It might be advantageous for the Browns to sign Halapoulivaati Vaitai and Greg Robinson then draft 2 rookies to see if they can beat out the vets right away and/or be ready to step in as the season goes on. The same goes for the Guard spot as we'd likely miss out on a Brandon Scherff, but have a shot at a Graham Glasgow. Sign Glasgow and hope Drew Forbes or more likely another draft pick can upgrade that spot in time. I think I’d rather see them roll with McCray and Lamm at their prices than pay big money for a mediocre FA tackle. Paying ten fold for incremental improvements is bad business imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I think I’d rather see them roll with McCray and Lamm at their prices than pay big money for a mediocre FA tackle. Paying ten fold for incremental improvements is bad business imo. Yup. I don't wanna touch Bulaga or Conklin at what they will ask. *whistle whistle...that's also why we should trade Schobert while we can...whistle whistle* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: Yup. I don't wanna touch Bulaga or Conklin at what they will ask. *whistle whistle...that's also why we should trade Schobert while we can...whistle whistle* Schobert can actually play though. He’s in his prime, durable and capable of playing all 3 downs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Schobert can actually play though. He’s in his prime, durable and capable of playing all 3rd downs. Agreed Edited February 2, 2020 by NudeTayne 😇 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Schobert can actually play though. He’s in his prime, durable and capable of playing all 3 downs. At the right dollar, have to think under the nerds this would of been a done deal a while ago, dorsey sucked at extending early. The only one that got dpne early was duke. He really did get us into some crumb contracts, carrie, hubbard, harris, fells, the white wr from green bay. It will be close, but we may pay more dead money to dorseys defects than jimmy coaching graveyard. Edited February 2, 2020 by Kiwibrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: At the right dollar, have to think under the nerds this would of been a done deal a while ago, dorsey sucked at extending early. The only one that got dpne early was duke. He really did get us into some crumb contracts, carrie, hubbard, harris, fells, the white wr from green bay. It will be close, but we may pay more dead money to dorseys defects than jimmy coaching graveyard. JCT got done early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, buno67 said: JCT got done early. less than 8 weeks early, should of been better than that if the wanted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Kiwibrown said: less than 8 weeks early, should of been better than that if the wanted him. We have no idea when they started negations. 7 minutes ago, buno67 said: He really did get us into some crumb contracts, carrie, hubbard, harris, fells, the white wr from green bay. It will be close, but we may pay more dead money to dorseys defects than jimmy coaching graveyard. Only WRs that carry any significant amount of dead cap cash is Landry and OBJ. Fells will be off the books. Your acting like Hubbard Carrie and Harris are carrying huge dead cap hits. Believe the total is $5.2m for those 3 and potentially Carrie could be kept cause he actually provides depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: less than 8 weeks early, should of been better than that if the wanted him. Also the Nerds couldn’t extend Schwartz, hell their negation tactics pissed him off. Now is brother won’t stop taking jabs at the organization 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, buno67 said: Also the Nerds couldn’t extend Schwartz, hell their negation tactics pissed him off. Now is brother won’t stop taking jabs at the organization Geoff Schwartz is a jackass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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