Lamar Jackson QB1

[DreamKid]

^^^That dude looks like Slim400.

 

[diamondbull424]

Looking at the current breakdown of the pro bowl, seems very probably that Lamar won’t make the PB this season. Perhaps his popularity takes hold, but there’s a good chance that he won’t make it. Which means Lamar will have one more season needed to make the pro bowl in order to make franchise tag money vs transition tag money on his 5th year option.

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First-round picks will receive a base salary equal to the cap percentage average of the transition tag for the player’s position in his fourth season but using the appropriate third- through 20th-highest PYS at the player’s position if they have not been selected to the Pro Bowl on the original ballot but did (a) partake in at least 75 percent of his team’s offensive or defensive plays in two of his first three regular seasons or (b) play a cumulative average of 75 percent of his team’s offensive or defensive plays over the course of his first three regular seasons or (c) log at least 50 percent of his team’s offensive or defensive snaps in each of his first three regular seasons.

A first-round pick named to the Pro Bowl on the original ballot in one of his first three regular seasons will receive a fifth-year option equal to the transition tag at his position for the league year of the player’s fourth year of his rookie deal. Those selected to two or more Pro Bowls in their first three seasons will receive a fifth-year option equal to the franchise tag applicable to his position in the player’s fourth season.
https://frontofficenfl.com/2020/06/04/2020-nfl-cba-explained-5th-year-option-in-rookie-contracts/

 

It’ll probably only be the difference of about $2-3m but you never know how those funds could come in handy. Could find ourselves singing the next LJ Fort type of player to positively impact our defense.

[DreamKid]

2019 Lamar makes this throw. Don't know what to pin the regression on for Lamar, but let's hope he can return to form in 2021.

 

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

Enjoy

[diamondbull424]

7 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Enjoy

You can definitely tell he’s gotten faster. That first clip looks like mid 4.4 speed, whereas from FSU and on its 4.3 speed.

[diamondbull424]

https://ravenswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/19/lamar-jackson-records-jackson-eyeing-13th-on-all-time-qb-rushing-yards-list-in-week-15/

Was posted before this game. But interesting. Hadn’t considered Lamar’s place on the All Time list. I wonder what it would take to put him in the top 10 all time.

[DreamKid]

Lamar's 2020 regression has been frustrating, but these numbers highlight the kind of player he truly is and can be. 

Despite being a generational running talent- he's constantly eyes downfield looking to play point.

 

[diamondbull424]

^^^ Just saw in that twitter thread someone mention about Lamar in the playoffs, that’s really such a tired narrative. Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield also both have not yet one a playoff game in their careers and are older than Lamar, perhaps they deserve to be denigrated for such. I also don’t think people talk enough about Josh Allen’s playoff performance last season. He didn’t put the team on his back and his defense was literally destroying the opponent, all dude needed to do was do the bare minimum against a defense that Lamar has consistently put through the blender, a defense that was a bottom 10 unit last season... and his team would have won against the terribly coached unit that Watson put on his back.

Yet people have the nerve to rate Allen above Watson. Meanwhile Lamar actually had to put our offense on his back and while not a good game, at least produced more points for our offense. What’s more against common defenses Lamar’s offense was 9 points closer to what the Chiefs put up against the Titans than the difference between Mahomes Chiefs offense and Allen’s Bills offense vs the Texans.

Really want nothing more than for Lamar to shutdown that argument with a big time playoff performance this season... if we can make it with our bum- point differential that could be in the 150+ area if we handle business correctly.

[DreamKid]

Lamar is still just 23 years old, and turns 24 on Thursday. Finally making some playoff noise this time around would go a long way towards cementing his legacy as one of the best and most accomplished U25 players of all time.

[diamondbull424]

39 minutes ago, DreamKid said:

Lamar is still just 23 years old, and turns 24 on Thursday. Finally making some playoff noise this time around would go a long way towards cementing his legacy as one of the best and most accomplished U25 players of all time.

What’s funny is that if Lamar were to win the SB this season and Mahomes were to get a 1st round exit after the bye, they’d have the same playoff W/L record. 😂

How hilarious would it be after the haters fell back from:
”He’s not a QB, he should switch to WR”
to “he’s not a good passer, he’ll be out of the league by his third season”
to “He might be a good QB, but he’s overrated because he might get hurt”
to “he’s just a regular season wonder, his style of play will never win in the playoffs”
to “...?”

I’m guessing they’ll just fall back to the tried and true, “He’s overrated because he might get hurt”. But yeah, it would certainly be a wonder to see the justifications they reach for to justify their hate.

[DreamKid]

24 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said:

But yeah, it would certainly be a wonder to see the justifications they reach for to justify their hate.

Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson emerging as the best QBs from that class, and really as the two of the best young QBs in recent memory- is so perfect. It's what that brand of football observer so rightfully deserved.

[Boodgyman5220]

On 1/4/2021 at 12:06 AM, diamondbull424 said:

What’s funny is that if Lamar were to win the SB this season and Mahomes were to get a 1st round exit after the bye, they’d have the same playoff W/L record. 😂

How hilarious would it be after the haters fell back from:
”He’s not a QB, he should switch to WR”
to “he’s not a good passer, he’ll be out of the league by his third season”
to “He might be a good QB, but he’s overrated because he might get hurt”
to “he’s just a regular season wonder, his style of play will never win in the playoffs”
to “...?”

I’m guessing they’ll just fall back to the tried and true, “He’s overrated because he might get hurt”. But yeah, it would certainly be a wonder to see the justifications they reach for to justify their hate.

Seems off. Mahomes would have had to have won at least 3 games in their Super Bowl season. Lamar hasn’t won one?

[diamondbull424]

15 hours ago, Boodgyman5220 said:

Seems off. Mahomes would have had to have won at least 3 games in their Super Bowl season. Lamar hasn’t won one?

It’s not. Mahomes is 4-1 in his playoff career.

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Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	TD	Pts	Fmb	FL	FF	FR	Yds	TD	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
		5 Games							4-1-0
1	2018	2019-01-12	17	19	23.117	KAN		IND	W 31-13	*	27	41	65.85	278	0	0	85.2	4	25	6.78	6.78	3	8	2.67	1	1	6	1	0	0	1	-7	0	87	100%	0	0%	0	0%
2	2018	2019-01-20	18	20	23.125	KAN		NWE	L 31-37	*	16	31	51.61	295	3	0	117.0	4	46	9.52	11.45	2	11	5.50	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	52	100%	0	0%	0	0%
Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	TD	Pts	Fmb	FL	FF	FR	Yds	TD	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
3	2019	2020-01-12	18	19	24.117	KAN		HOU	W 51-31	*	23	35	65.71	321	5	0	134.6	0	0	9.17	12.03	7	53	7.57	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	61	100%	0	0%	0	0%
4	2019	2020-01-19	19	20	24.124	KAN		TEN	W 35-24	*	23	35	65.71	294	3	0	120.4	2	2	8.40	10.11	8	53	6.63	1	1	6	1	0	0	1	0	0	68	100%	0	0%	0	0%
5	2019	2020-02-02	20	21	24.138	KAN	N	SFO	W 31-20	*	26	42	61.90	286	2	2	78.1	4	18	6.81	5.62	9	29	3.22	1	1	6	2	0	0	1	0	0	79	100%	0	0%	0	0%

If Mahomes were to get a first round exist, that would put his overall playoff record at 4-2. He’s had a 1st round bye in each of his playoff runs and thus has played less games in order to reach the AFCCG and the SB then a wildcard team would need to fulfill.

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Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Fmb	FL	FF	FR	Yds	TD	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
		2 Games							0-2-0
1	2018	2019-01-06	17	18	21.364	BAL		LAC	L 17-23	*	14	29	48.28	194	2	1	78.8	7	55	6.69	6.52	9	54	6.00	0	3	1	0	0	-14	0	61	100%	0	0%	0	0%
Rk	Year	Date	G#	Week	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Fmb	FL	FF	FR	Yds	TD	Num	Pct	Num	Pct	Num	Pct
2	2019	2020-01-11	18	19	23.004	BAL		TEN	L 12-28	*	31	59	52.54	365	1	2	63.2	4	20	6.19	5.00	20	143	7.15	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	94	100%	0	0%	0	0%

Conversely, Lamar has already lost two games. If we were to go on a playoff run and win the SB with Lamar at QB, it would require; Wild Card Round, Divisional Round, Championship Round, Super Bowl. That’s four games he’d be required to win in order to achieve that feat, placing his overall playoff record at exactly 4-2; the same record as Patrick Mahomes.

[SalvadorsDeli]

Honestly this is just a level of counterfactuals and hypotheticals that seems kinda useless tbh. If Lamar goes on a run to win the Super Bowl he'll be treated differently than he is now and for good reason. If Pat Mahomes goes 1 and done while that happens that'll obviously change the overall context as well (especially if we were the ones to beat them). Unless that happens there's not point getting worked up about how he's hypothetically not getting respect for something he hasn't actually accomplished yet. 

[diamondbull424]

2 hours ago, SalvadorsDeli said:

Honestly this is just a level of counterfactuals and hypotheticals that seems kinda useless tbh. If Lamar goes on a run to win the Super Bowl he'll be treated differently than he is now and for good reason. If Pat Mahomes goes 1 and done while that happens that'll obviously change the overall context as well (especially if we were the ones to beat them). Unless that happens there's not point getting worked up about how he's hypothetically not getting respect for something he hasn't actually accomplished yet. 

I mean it was simply lampoonery targeting the Lamar haters and their groupthink ideas, @DreamKid understood the irony. Lamar does the improbable and the entire playoff narrative on Lamar, that is taken as a given FACT (by media and fans) vs simply mere speculation is forced on its head in the weirdest possible way. Flacco wasn’t brandished a terrible playoff performer to the level as Lamar in his first two seasons and he had a 5 game sample size of trash performances that were worse than what Lamar has conjured to this point. Lamar catching Mahomes, the golden boy, would simply be a hilarious twist of events.

The comment wasn’t languished on further, beyond the point of it being doubted by @Boodgyman5220 as true. Which perhaps has to do with how absurd it sounds after Lamar’s start to his playoff career and Mahomes start to his playoff career, that something of such a possibility could even present itself as true. But it could. Thus is WHY castigating Lamar as a playoff choke artist so early in his career is absurd until more evidence is presented.

In terms of counterfactuals, this website is called Football’s Future. Me discussing Nick Chubb and Jonathan Taylor as ideal draft pieces for the Ravens was useless, so was discussing the prospect of the 2011 and 2019 Ravens squads being teams of destiny were just as useless. I suspect discussing DeVonta Smith and Joseph Ossai will also be useless endeavors. Heck discussing Justin Tucker was classified as a useless counter factual all those years ago and has proven itself more true than any speculation to this point. Just saying. We have no idea how useless info will or won’t be until it proves itself to be totally useless... as most paths presented prove to show in history’s arms.

Edited January 7, 2021 by diamondbull424