turtle28 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, Woz said: He should have been much further than he is on this whole shuffle, but he waited for some reason. That’s not true. Snyder and others started this process/search around the same time Jay Gruden was fired. They put together a group of former NFL football people who helped steer them in the right direction and they chose Ron Rivera once he was fired. This didn’t just happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, turtle28 said: That’s not true. Snyder and others started this process/search around the same time Jay Gruden was fired. They put together a group of former NFL football people who helped steer them in the right direction and they chose Ron Rivera once he was fired. This didn’t just happen. It should've started with a GM who was in place a couple weeks ago to start evaluating head coaching candidates and some of the people in house. While more teams are hiring a coach before a GM, if you look at the teams who have sustained success, this isn't the case for them- they have the President/GM/Head Coach hierarchy in place. I would've even taken a year with the same staff (minus Manusky) for them to grade out everyone in the front office, all of the coaches, trainers and players. The Orioles did almost the same thing over this past year, with a few changes at the beginning of Mike Elias's tenure, but the bulk of them coming near the end of the season. I would've liked to see who got with the new program and who didn't. When you have an organization with the level of rot in the front office, and sustained lack of success on the field, you need a top-down approach to reset the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: It should've started with a GM who was in place a couple weeks ago to start evaluating head coaching candidates and some of the people in house. While more teams are hiring a coach before a GM, if you look at the teams who have sustained success, this isn't the case for them- they have the President/GM/Head Coach hierarchy in place. I would've even taken a year with the same staff (minus Manusky) for them to grade out everyone in the front office, all of the coaches, trainers and players. The Orioles did almost the same thing over this past year, with a few changes at the beginning of Mike Elias's tenure, but the bulk of them coming near the end of the season. I would've liked to see who got with the new program and who didn't. When you have an organization with the level of rot in the front office, and sustained lack of success on the field, you need a top-down approach to reset the system. Just because it didn’t happen with a GM first doesn’t mean that what they did was a bad choice. Across the league this hire is being seen as a great hire and when’s the last time we could say that about a Dan Snyder hire? 2010 w/ Shanahan. There’s also the case that they couldn’t wait. Rivera was one of - if not the hottest - name out there as a HC candidate. They couldn’t wait if he’s the one they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Just because it didn’t happen with a GM first doesn’t mean that what they did was a bad choice. Across the league this hire is being seen as a great hire and when’s the last time we could say that about a Dan Snyder hire? 2010 w/ Shanahan. There’s also the case that they couldn’t wait. Rivera was one of - if not the hottest - name out there as a HC candidate. They couldn’t wait if he’s the one they wanted. Snyder's hires have usually been taken well. Schottenheimer was considered one. Initial reactions on Spurrier were a bit mixed, and proved to be correct. Joe Gibbs was lauded from the rooftops. Zorn was a mess. Shanahan was taken extremely well, and honestly, so was Jay Gruden. Rivera is not an impressive name once you get past the initial headline and look at his coaching resume. He's a fantastic defensive coordinator, but has had mixed success as a head coach despite some immensely talented rosters. Inconsistency across the board, cronyism in his hires, it all smacks of "same old Redskins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripsean21 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: Snyder's hires have usually been taken well. Schottenheimer was considered one. Initial reactions on Spurrier were a bit mixed, and proved to be correct. Joe Gibbs was lauded from the rooftops. Zorn was a mess. Shanahan was taken extremely well, and honestly, so was Jay Gruden. Rivera is not an impressive name once you get past the initial headline and look at his coaching resume. He's a fantastic defensive coordinator, but has had mixed success as a head coach despite some immensely talented rosters. Inconsistency across the board, cronyism in his hires, it all smacks of "same old Redskins." We’re this teams super talented or were they maximizing their talents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, ripsean21 said: We’re this teams super talented or were they maximizing their talents? The 6-10 team had eight All-Pros on it from the year before, the only guy who they were really missing from the Super Bowl roster was Josh Norman. He's had three generational talents in Newton, McCaffrey and Keuchly and the past four years has a sub-.500 record. Sorry, there are red flags abound with Ron Rivera. He's not this slam dunk hire that a lot of people think he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripsean21 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, naptownskinsfan said: The 6-10 team had eight All-Pros on it from the year before, the only guy who they were really missing from the Super Bowl roster was Josh Norman. He's had three generational talents in Newton, McCaffrey and Keuchly and the past four years has a sub-.500 record. Sorry, there are red flags abound with Ron Rivera. He's not this slam dunk hire that a lot of people think he is. I don’t think he is but we have Norman and he’s a good player. But they maximized him. Newton is a heck of a dual threat player and he was as good as his injuries allowed him to be. They also couldn’t get past Seattle who was and has been a Uber talented team. Luke and Davis were lights out together. McCaffery is playing lights out. He’s a talented individual but there OC’s haven’t had a number one wideout since Steve Smith. Their offenses have been as good as Cam. And McCaffery wasn’t maximized until Cam went down. I don’t see the crazy talent they had good players on defense and they were very good. They had a decent OL a dual threat streaky QB and no pass catchers and it showed against good defenses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: The 6-10 team had eight All-Pros on it from the year before, the only guy who they were really missing from the Super Bowl roster was Josh Norman. He's had three generational talents in Newton, McCaffrey and Keuchly and the past four years has a sub-.500 record. Sorry, there are red flags abound with Ron Rivera. He's not this slam dunk hire that a lot of people think he is. How many other teams except the Patriots have done the samething? Go to the SuperBowl and next year look a mess or not even make the Playoffs. The MAIN thing Rivera would bring is Leadership and holding Players accountable. They initially are the ones on the field. Rivera won't have Players with their phones at practice/meetings. Rivera will bring a Change of Culture. Problay the best thing for the team heading forward. Edited December 30, 2019 by Skins212689 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: The 6-10 team had eight All-Pros on it from the year before, the only guy who they were really missing from the Super Bowl roster was Josh Norman. He's had three generational talents in Newton, McCaffrey and Keuchly and the past four years has a sub-.500 record. Sorry, there are red flags abound with Ron Rivera. He's not this slam dunk hire that a lot of people think he is. So, they had popular players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, ripsean21 said: I don’t think he is but we have Norman and he’s a good player. But they maximized him. Newton is a heck of a dual threat player and he was as good as his injuries allowed him to be. They also couldn’t get past Seattle who was and has been a Uber talented team. Luke and Davis were lights out together. McCaffery is playing lights out. He’s a talented individual but there OC’s haven’t had a number one wideout since Steve Smith. Their offenses have been as good as Cam. And McCaffery wasn’t maximized until Cam went down. I don’t see the crazy talent they had good players on defense and they were very good. They had a decent OL a dual threat streaky QB and no pass catchers and it showed against good defenses A decent offensive line? At various points they had Jordan Gross (x1 All Pro, x3 PB), Ryan Kalil (x3 All Pro, x5 PB), Andrew Norwell (x1 All Pro) and Trai Turner (x4 PB). This unit was a top five unit for most of Rivera's tenure with the Panthers They ran a run-heavy system because they had the line for it, a QB who could run inside and outside, and a trio in the backfield that few teams could match in DeAngelo Williams, Jon Stewart and Mike Tolbert. Greg Olsen was a top 10 TE in the league during the "prime" Rivera years, and with the threat of playaction and throwing the ball downfield (playing to Newton's arm strength) both Kelvin Benjamin and Ted Ginn Jr had their best seasons in the NFL. Sure, those WR's leave a lot to be desired, but they were able to make them work because Newton and Co could pound the ball and set things up downfield, where height and speed could get them chunk yardage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: Sorry, there are red flags abound with Ron Rivera. He's not this slam dunk hire that a lot of people think he is. Is anyone saying he's a slam dunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Skins212689 said: How many other teams accept the Patriots have done the samething? Go to the SuperBowl and next year look a mess or not even make the Playoffs. The MAIN thing Rivera would bring is Leadership and holding Players accountable. They initially are the ones on the field. Rivera won't have Players with their phones at practice/meetings. Rivera will bring a Change of Culture. Problay the best thing for the team heading forward. The Ravens have a GM, the Steelers have a GM, the Eagles had a de-facto GM who hired Doug Pederson, the Vikings have a GM, the Packers have a GM, the Saints have a GM. Meanwhile, the Chiefs and Seahawks are really the only two who have a collaborative effort of the sustained winners, however, Schneider and Pete Carroll were hired within a week of each other, and the current Chiefs GM followed Andy Reid over from the Eagles, so really, this only works if they have experience working together. Otherwise, a GM really wants to hire their own coach. Which means if Marty Hurney is coming over from the Panthers, this deal is getting worse all the time. Belichick is the outlier, as he runs everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Is anyone saying he's a slam dunk? The rhetoric here, and amongst the local and national media largely indicates this feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, naptownskinsfan said: The rhetoric here, and amongst the local and national media largely indicates this feeling. I think that's euphoric spill over from Bruce being fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, naptownskinsfan said: The Ravens have a GM, the Steelers have a GM, the Eagles had a de-facto GM who hired Doug Pederson, the Vikings have a GM, the Packers have a GM, the Saints have a GM. Meanwhile, the Chiefs and Seahawks are really the only two who have a collaborative effort of the sustained winners, however, Schneider and Pete Carroll were hired within a week of each other, and the current Chiefs GM followed Andy Reid over from the Eagles, so really, this only works if they have experience working together. Otherwise, a GM really wants to hire their own coach. Which means if Marty Hurney is coming over from the Panthers, this deal is getting worse all the time. Belichick is the outlier, as he runs everything. Once again things have been changing with the whole who gets hired 1st the GM or Coach. I like the idea of Rivera for the reasons I already stated above. A CHANGE OF CULTURE! He will get the best of of the players. We don't know who the GM is going to be but I'm certain he won't be a GM that can't work with Rivera. Even promoting Kyle Smith to GM seems like a good move. They've been pretty good with drafting guys now you have the HC to coach them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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