goldfishwars Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 No idea why they would, be here we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 He is super average. Not worth that price at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, Malik said: He is super average. Not worth that price at all. Zero pass-rush, don't know why you would do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Weird trade in the first place. Even worse now with the tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giants4eva Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, goldfishwars said: Zero pass-rush, don't know why you would do it... Real simple. Because if Dave Gettleman doesn't he looks like a total A-- for the already stupid trade he made. This move is more about his ego rather then swallowing his pride and letting him walk Edited March 16, 2020 by Giants4eva 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Important to note that the conditional pick the Giants send to the Jets is only a 2021 4th if they Giants resign him by Wednesday. Tagging him and resigning him after Wednesday will result in the pick being a 2021 5th. The Giants highest paid player on defense right now is Dexter Lawrence, who is on the 2nd year of his rookie deal as the 17th overall pick. They need to pump a lot of money and talent into the defense. I don't blame them for attempting to keep Leonard Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, minutemancl said: Important to note that the conditional pick the Giants send to the Jets is only a 2021 4th if they Giants resign him by Wednesday. Tagging him and resigning him after Wednesday will result in the pick being a 2021 5th. The Giants highest paid player on defense right now is Dexter Lawrence, who is on the 2nd year of his rookie deal as the 17th overall pick. They need to pump a lot of money and talent into the defense. I don't blame them for attempting to keep Leonard Williams. Overpaying an underachiever doesn’t pump talent into their defense though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: Zero pass-rush, don't know why you would do it... He actually generates a decent amount of pass rush; he just never turns his pressures into actual sacks. Sometimes that's just a matter of luck and varies year to year for players, but Williams has made a career out of generating a lot of pressure and low sack numbers. It's definitely not ideal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, lavar703 said: Overpaying an underachiever doesn’t pump talent into their defense though. He's an underachiever for a former 6th overall pick, but he's still a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, minutemancl said: He actually generates a decent amount of pass rush; he just never turns his pressures into actual sacks. Sometimes that's just a matter of luck and varies year to year for players, but Williams has made a career out of generating a lot of pressure and low sack numbers. It's definitely not ideal. Ranked 36th out of defensive tackles last year according to PFF. Honestly he barely he gives you anything above what you can't already get from the other interior players on the roster, of which you have more than you need. It's not a valuable skill-set in the modern NFL and not one that should be attracting a tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBlueDon Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 He makes some impact plays, but I feel like anybody who plays that many snaps at that position in the NFL can make just as many as he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, minutemancl said: He's an underachiever for a former 6th overall pick, but he's still a good player. He’s a good player based on what? I mean, I’m not trying to be argumentative here but everything I’ve read or heard is he’s just not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, lavar703 said: He’s a good player based on what? I mean, I’m not trying to be argumentative here but everything I’ve read or heard is he’s just not very good. Where have you heard he isn't very good? Please show me. https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/three-leonard-williams-stats-that-show-how-he-can-affect-giants-defense/311312440 Quote The 6-foot-5, 291-pound lineman excels in other statistical marks, especially in the run game. For example, Williams has 97 run stops since 2016, which is tied third with Minnesota DL Linval Joseph in that span. Also, Williams makes tackles in the backfield, totaling 43 of them in the same timeframe which is third in the league. There is also this stat: Since 2016, Williams is second only to All-Pro DL Aaron Donald with 38.7 percent of his run tackles going for loss or no gain. With the Giants currently ranked 22nd in the league with 122.4 yards allowed on the ground per game, having a force like Williams to help curb that trend will be huge. He's no doubt an underachiever for his draft status, but he's been great against the run his entire career by all metrics. He has also been very good at generating pressure throughout his entire career. His issues with finishing pressures and actually getting sacks is his one huge shortcoming and has been well documented. 8 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: Ranked 36th out of defensive tackles last year according to PFF. I don't know where you found those stats. This is also from PFF regarding Williams: Quote "No player had a bigger deference between his pressure rate rank and sack rate rank than Williams, who split the year between the Giants and the New York Jets prior to his trade. Among 87 interior defenders with 200 or more pass-rushing snaps, Williams ranked 13th in pressure rate at 11.3% but his one sack in 424 pass-rushing snaps put him near the bottom of the list in sack rate. On the other hand, Williams led the position with 19 quarterback hits. A few fractions of a second faster on several of those plays and that sack total looks a whole lot more respectable." Is it possible to be 13th in pressure rate and 36th in pressures at your position? I guess, if everyone else has a ton more pass rushing snaps. I'd argue the rate is more indicative of pass rushing skill than total pressures though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew39k Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Interestingly, the Giants tagged him as a DT. It was previously reported that if tagged as a DT instead of a DE that he would be filling a greivance and possibly holding out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL Guapo Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 They're working on an extension with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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