WizeGuy Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 42 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Based on the RNA sequence of the virus and how other viruses with similar sequences behave, that seems very unlikely. He responded with this. Interesting read: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301101?via%3Dihub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 hours ago, N4L said: that's the craziest part - what needs to be done is contradictory to all America's natural freedoms. Of course people have the right to 'freak' as you say, but that doesn't mean they should. We should be focused on keeping people fed, clothed, sheltered, and healthy. I think you're underestimating the long term negative impact on our economy and society from focusing solely on keeping people alive for 12-18 months tbh. That IMO is a much bigger existential threat to our country than 200k or 500k or even a million deaths of mostly elderly people, as much as both outcomes will be a tragedy for our country and the world. Its a balance, doesn't mean you shouldn't do what you can to minimize deaths, but I'm saying the cost to people's lives and economic futures and mental health also has to come into the equation. And its disturbing to me that increasingly talking about those thing is unfashionable. Because we've seen what happens in societies that minimize those types of things in the name of collective security and its not pretty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, acowboys62 said: A very slippery slope in which some states are starting to take it too far and a lot of the commentary makes it seem as if they want to make certain changes last longer. At any point when a people say "I depend on my government to take care of me" and not "I provide for myself/my family" we have a major problem. We are getting to close to this imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said: Problem is not those who are low risk though, it's that they might contract it and give it to high-risk people - who then have to use the healthcare system. Extrapolate this up and there's a massive f problem (well, there already is). I agree it can't go on forever though. There will be some morally ambiguous decisions to make..... We can see the curve flattening in 3 of those hardest hit countries as of this week, after strict lockdown. So, there does appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel. Populations need to be smart until that time, I would say. (Unlike where I'm from). Yeah I totally understand and agree with you. My point is there has to be a limit to what we ask the 99.7% of the population to do to save the 0.3% of the population that would die from this unmitigated, because the cost of the most extreme approach to 99.7% is a lot greater than the cost of remaining life to the 0.3% who are mostly elderly anyway You can justify lockdown for a period of time to get the healthcare system ready for the next wave, to flatten the curve, but 12-18 month lockdown is a different goal entirely and I dont think people are supportive of that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said: We are getting to close to this imo The 700,000 people who’ve been laid off since this thing started are already there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 8 hours ago, rob_shadows said: Speaking of.... https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-coronavirus-antibody-tests-coming-immunity-certificates-being-discussed-172122667.html That's exactly what they are considering Its a terrible idea but we've done terrible things before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acowboys62 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, mission27 said: Its a terrible idea but we've done terrible things before I already have a certificate that allows me to have a normal life, got that one when I was born, don't need another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, acowboys62 said: I already have a certificate that allows me to have a normal life, got that one when I was born, don't need another. Ha yeah. I have a US Passport. Used to be enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acowboys62 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, mission27 said: Ha yeah. I have a US Passport. Used to be enough Lol, with the changing laws in NJ, I actually don't even know anymore what is enough with these new real ID requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just now, acowboys62 said: Lol, with the changing laws in NJ, I actually don't even know anymore what is enough with these new real ID requirements. thankfully they pushed off the Real ID for planes thing to late 2021. Maybe we'll all have our immunity certs by then and we wont need to get a new license! sickening 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, dtait93 said: The 700,000 people who’ve been laid off since this thing started are already there. Hopefully it's a semi short term thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/11/spain-to-begin-return-to-work-despite-fears-of-resurgence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 https://www.apa.org/topics/covid-19/domestic-violence-child-abuse Domestic and child abuse numbers are going to continue to rise the longer we do this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 MoL's dev team is probably going to be working the weekend to make tweaks to our model to account for testing rates Issue is places like Italy have seen a massive increase in testing over the past week or two which is making it look like progress is much slower than it truly is We're hoping to have this incorporated by mid-next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 On 2020-04-09 at 1:02 PM, Shanedorf said: thx for info Can you offer us any illumination on the concept of "they have to keep flying/maintaining the aircraft vs parking them ?" I've read that parking these jets is a big challenge mechanically, but I have no background in aviation It really depends. Short term isn’t an issue. I think what you refer to is taking aircraft out of service. It’s a big job simply due to removing certain equipment, fuel drainage etc. Two things should happen. First, airlines using old equipment will simply take it to the desert and remove them from service. The rest it depends on how long the aircraft are going to be parked. It cost about $150.00 per month to park and about 2k per month in very basic maintenance. If an aircraft is going to be parked for 6 weeks or longer they have to drain all the fluids, seal engines and doors. It’s a more complex process. It also means it takes longer to return the aircraft to service. So it’s more of a resource issue rather than a mechanical challenge. That can change if the aircraft are parked longer and that’s a function of having to manually ensure everything is working. The mechanical checks are time consuming. Luckily there’s still lots of parking space left in Tucson, Roswell and other desert locations. A number of under used airports will already be parking lots. Pilot proficiency will be a big problem. Pilots are required to be in command for certain operations and if it doesn’t occur within specific time parameters then they lose currency. The system has sufficient simulator capacity for normal operations however trying to maintain everyone’s currency in simulators will be hard. Not just from from a demand perspective but getting your pilots to simulator locations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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