ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 31 minutes ago, WizeGuy said: I was referring more to this part of the article I post: "Most of the questions have to do with the limitations of the study. The trial was designed to see if there were fewer cases of symptomatic COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, in people getting the vaccine rather than placebo." "Pfizer's trial, and the ongoing studies of other leading coronavirus-vaccine developers, aren't regularly testing volunteers to gauge asymptomatic infections. That may mean vaccinated people could still become asymptomatic carriers and unknowingly spread the virus to others." We're all hoping for it to prevent infection all together, but limiting the severity of symptoms would be welcomed as well. He's not wrong, but it's worth noting that this isn't a new limitation. Pfizer, BNT, and the FDA arranged this protocol in consultation with each other, and they made the decision that a specific infection endpoint wasn't needed here. I think that context is important if someone is coming into the study at the end blind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Free: CDC says masks can also benefit the wearer in strongest endorsement yet for face coverings https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/10/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/ Not free: Danish government halts plans to kill more than 15 million minks over coronavirus scare https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/11/10/denmark-halts-mink-cull/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Oh geez Texas 😢 https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933548709/texas-projected-to-have-highest-number-of-coronavirus-cases-of-any-u-s-states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 THE first volunteers to get the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine have said they felt like they had a "severe hangover" after the injection. https://www.the-sun.com/news/1776166/first-volunteers-pfizer-covid-vaccine-feels-severe-hangover/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Ron Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, TVScout said: THE first volunteers to get the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine have said they felt like they had a "severe hangover" after the injection. https://www.the-sun.com/news/1776166/first-volunteers-pfizer-covid-vaccine-feels-severe-hangover/ Cool. So get the vaccine then have a full English breakfast. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Why don't they ask people if the were wearing a mask after they test positive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said: Why don't they ask people if the were wearing a mask after they test positive? whose they? the answer is likely PHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Deadpulse said: Children are the big one. It is very likely that any approved vaccine wont be approved for children 12 and under. With studies showing that children are super spreaders, this is a real concern and yet another massive chink in the idea that a vaccine will set things back to normal. Interesting. Why won't they approve it for kids 12 and under ? Is that typical ? I think flu vaccines, diphtheria, Hep B and others are approved for younger ages, not sure on the age cutoff though As far as the young kids vs the teenagers as spreaders - young kids are under the control of their parents, the teens aren't. So when schools closed, the younger kids were sequestered at home while the teenagers were out and about being teenagers Once schools opened, the spread among young kids ramped up - so there's a behavioral component that likely needs to be considered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Do you guys believe Zee Russians???? https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/pressreleases/the-first-interim-data-analysis-of-the-sputnik-v-vaccine-against-covid-19-phase-iii-clinical-trials-/ A lot of good medicine has been developed in Russia so while people use them as a scapegoat for everything they feel is wrong w/ our country, they cannot be discounted for such reasons. I find it fishy it came out immediately after Pfizer and a little bit better but whatever, if it helps them, great! We probably won't be seeing it in the States anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: whose they? the answer is likely PHI The department of health or whoever is trying to do the contract tracing? PHI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 hours ago, TVScout said: Free: CDC says masks can also benefit the wearer in strongest endorsement yet for face coverings https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/10/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/ Makes sense that it would help the wearer at least a little bit. What are the chances that they are just saying that so people will wear a mask to "protect" themselves even if they won't wear one for other people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Do you guys believe Zee Russians???? https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/pressreleases/the-first-interim-data-analysis-of-the-sputnik-v-vaccine-against-covid-19-phase-iii-clinical-trials-/ A lot of good medicine has been developed in Russia so while people use them as a scapegoat for everything they feel is wrong w/ our country, they cannot be discounted for such reasons. I find it fishy it came out immediately after Pfizer and a little bit better but whatever, if it helps them, great! We probably won't be seeing it in the States anyway. The data from their Phase 1-2 study was published in The Lancet. Which is the same publication that Andrew Wakefield published his fraudulent MMR vaccine "study" that inspired the Jenny McCarthy's of the world to start the anti-vaccine conspiracy theory that we still can't get rid of. I'll pass. Edited November 11, 2020 by ramssuperbowl99 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Interesting. Why won't they approve it for kids 12 and under ? Is that typical ? I think flu vaccines, diphtheria, Hep B and others are approved for younger ages, not sure on the age cutoff though Their immune systems arent fully developed and react differently. There are flu vaccines distinctly developed for pediatrics, for instance. The standard flu vaccine is usually approved for 6 months and higher but is only recommended for 12+. I know my company's policy was to only administer the pedi vaccine to those under 12. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, vikesfan89 said: The department of health or whoever is trying to do the contract tracing? PHI? Protected Health Information - its part of HIPAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, TVScout said: THE first volunteers to get the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine have said they felt like they had a "severe hangover" after the injection. https://www.the-sun.com/news/1776166/first-volunteers-pfizer-covid-vaccine-feels-severe-hangover/ Gonna need to know the age of those patients before I judge whether or not that hangover was really "severe" or not. No human being under the age of 25 has ever been severely hung over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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