Are DEs ends the RBs of Defense?

[buno67]

rank positions from most important to least important. Not counting special teams, this is how I rank the 22 starting positions  

You have 
1. QB
2. LDE 
3. LT 
4. DB1
5. WR1
6. 3T DT
7. RDE
8. MLB
9. TE
10. RT
11. DB2
12. FS
13. Weak side LB
14. RB
15. Center
16. 1T DT
17. WR2
18. SS 
19. Strong side LB
20. WR3
21. RG
22. LG

[Hunter2_1]

There's no way I can differentiate between the importance of ALL positions like that. I don't know if the LG is any more or less important than a WLB, for example. Surely depends on any given play.

[HTTRDynasty]

On 8/3/2020 at 7:15 PM, Deadpulse said:

that isn't what this chart says. This is not how valuable a position is, it is the gap between all-pro level production vs average production. For instance, and average QB is less effective by A LOT than Mahomes is. On the flip side, an average DL can be nearly as productive on the field as a big name player. It has nothing to do with how important the position group as a whole is to the outcome of a game. 

Yeah, that's the top-10 average.  If you want a better measure of overall positional value, here's an in-depth article on the subject:

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Eager_PFF_WAR.pdf

[CWood21]

On 7/15/2020 at 10:40 AM, BleedTheClock said:

Ummmm no? 
 

Defensive end is the 2nd most important position in professional SPORTS. 

I'd argue that interior pressure is more valuable than edge pressure.

[HTTRDynasty]

32 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

I'd argue that interior pressure is more valuable than edge pressure.

Ehhhh...

CONCLUSION

A good place to end this discussion (for the time being) is where the elite pass-rushers at each position compare.

Aaron Donald was an absolute stud last season, earning a 99.9 pass-rush grade and amassing 91 quarterback pressures, both of which led the league. But his impact was perhaps not as tremendous as one might imagine. On Donald’s solo pressures (70, including nullified plays), the opposing offense gained 4.9 yards per play and lost a total of 16.96 expected points. Compare this to the highest-graded edge rusher, Joey Bosa, whose solo pressures (46) cost the offense 41.89 expected points and resulted in 2.9 yards per play. Donald was quicker than average on solo pressures at 2.28 seconds per pressure which was still slower than Bosa who averaged just 2.22 seconds per solo pressure. Doing this comparison for the five highest-graded pass-rushers at each position also yields interesting results. The top five interior pass-rushers (Donald, Fletcher Cox, DeForest Buckner, Geno Atkins, and Gerald McCoy) cost the opposition 75.30 expected points, averaged 2.34 seconds per solo pressure and saw offenses gain 4.1 yards per play. The top five edge rushers (Bosa, DeMarcus Lawrence, Cam Jordan, Melvin Ingram, and Von Miller) cost the offense 109.16 expected points, averaged 2.29 seconds per solo pressure and saw the offense gain 3.1 yards per play.

Including pressures where other players were involved doesn’t change much. Pressures involving Donald cost the opposition 28.28 expected points, took an average of 2.33 seconds and resulted in 3.4 yards per play. Pressures involving Bosa cost the offense 68.20 expected points, took 2.18 seconds on average and resulted in 1.8 yards per play. Taking away plays that resulted in turnovers from Bosa’s total still leaves Bosa ahead of Donald by over 11 expected points lost.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-edge-vs-interior-which-pass-rusher-reigns-supreme

[diamondbull424]

21 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Ehhhh...

CONCLUSION

A good place to end this discussion (for the time being) is where the elite pass-rushers at each position compare.

Aaron Donald was an absolute stud last season, earning a 99.9 pass-rush grade and amassing 91 quarterback pressures, both of which led the league. But his impact was perhaps not as tremendous as one might imagine. On Donald’s solo pressures (70, including nullified plays), the opposing offense gained 4.9 yards per play and lost a total of 16.96 expected points. Compare this to the highest-graded edge rusher, Joey Bosa, whose solo pressures (46) cost the offense 41.89 expected points and resulted in 2.9 yards per play. Donald was quicker than average on solo pressures at 2.28 seconds per pressure which was still slower than Bosa who averaged just 2.22 seconds per solo pressure. Doing this comparison for the five highest-graded pass-rushers at each position also yields interesting results. The top five interior pass-rushers (Donald, Fletcher Cox, DeForest Buckner, Geno Atkins, and Gerald McCoy) cost the opposition 75.30 expected points, averaged 2.34 seconds per solo pressure and saw offenses gain 4.1 yards per play. The top five edge rushers (Bosa, DeMarcus Lawrence, Cam Jordan, Melvin Ingram, and Von Miller) cost the offense 109.16 expected points, averaged 2.29 seconds per solo pressure and saw the offense gain 3.1 yards per play.

Including pressures where other players were involved doesn’t change much. Pressures involving Donald cost the opposition 28.28 expected points, took an average of 2.33 seconds and resulted in 3.4 yards per play. Pressures involving Bosa cost the offense 68.20 expected points, took 2.18 seconds on average and resulted in 1.8 yards per play. Taking away plays that resulted in turnovers from Bosa’s total still leaves Bosa ahead of Donald by over 11 expected points lost.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-edge-vs-interior-which-pass-rusher-reigns-supreme

Very interesting.

[KingOfNewYork]

PFF lol come on now.