Danger Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 no. Linebackers are. EDGE is the most important position on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 11 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: 😂 I would love to hear your argument for how it is more important than all other positions in professional sports outside of which I presume to be QB at #1. what else would you have picked? Maybe point guard? The QB is clearly the most important. The guy whose job it is to kill the QB is therefore the 2nd most important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 12 hours ago, cconocool said: I was thinking this for a few years. On the Vikings defensive line, production along the defensive end position hasn't had a huge dip depending on who's playing. Better players do produce better stats, but it isn't a huge disparity against someone who is a back-up, paid less a fraction of what an elite player makes. I don't think so. I think you might be looking at 3-4 defenses, where the OLB'ers are rushing the QB. In a 4-3 defense, those players will be your DE. 3-4 DE's still have potential to rack up numbers- Jonathan Allen had 8 sacks for a pretty bad Washington defense last year. I think the run-stuffing NT is going the way of the dodo, so they don't qualify for this. 3-4 MLB's or 4-3 OLB's are definitely the RBs of the defense. Very few of those guys are three down players. Any linebacker who can tackle and cover is taken early, and teams usually plug and play at least one of those positions depending on what package they are running at specific times. At least one 4-3 OLB or 3-4 MLB are usually the first to come off the field when a nickel corner comes in. Both 4-3 OLBs may come off the field when adding two DBs as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: what else would you have picked? Maybe point guard? Goalies in hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 13 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: Ummmm no? Defensive end is the 2nd most important position in professional SPORTS. Quarterback Pitcher Goalie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorsutus Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: Quarterback Pitcher Goalie Pitcher doesn't work they only play some games. Unless you have a guy who can do a full series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, Vorsutus said: Pitcher doesn't work they only play some games. Unless you have a guy who can do a full series. An Ace is going 3 games in a 7 game series. Closers are also vital. Mets blew like 30 saves last year because of Diaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorsutus Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 41 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: An Ace is going 3 games in a 7 game series. Closers are also vital. Mets blew like 30 saves last year because of Diaz. That was my point. Outside off some crazy crap even the best pitchers do not play every game. Just saying that makes them less important than a qb or goalie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 16 hours ago, cconocool said: I was thinking this for a few years. On the Vikings defensive line, production along the defensive end position hasn't had a huge dip depending on who's playing. Better players do produce better stats, but it isn't a huge disparity against someone who is a back-up, paid less a fraction of what an elite player makes. For our team (NE) it might be? We get rid of players Chandler Jones, plug in Jabaal Sheard or John Simon and make it work. I don't know if that makes them the RB of the D, but in our system, 1 player is expendable because it's all down to scheme. If you can't two-gap, if you're not disciplined and can't follow an assignment (for example don't rush Russel Wilson, just hold your blocker and wait...) then you're not on the team. So, maybe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, Vorsutus said: That was my point. Outside off some crazy crap even the best pitchers do not play every game. Just saying that makes them less important than a qb or goalie But more important than a defensive end/pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: Quarterback Pitcher Goalie Fly half in rugby (their closest version of a QB). Box-to-box midfielder in soccer. Striker in soccer (teams that don't get goals from strikers get relegated from divisions and go bankrupt eventually). Fast paced bowler in cricket. He said sports, so... Edited July 16, 2020 by Hunter2_1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Vorsutus said: That was my point. Outside off some crazy crap even the best pitchers do not play every game. Just saying that makes them less important than a qb or goalie No way. A top-end ace pitcher is more important than an elite edge rusher. Yes he's only pitching every five games in the regular season, but when he does he has such a huge amount of control over the outcome of the game, it makes up for it. Then in the postseason when they can pitch twice in a series? And if you line it up right he can neutralize the other team's ace? It's definitely the pitcher over the DE. Besides, give me elite pressure from the middle any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Danger said: no. Linebackers are. EDGE is the most important position on defense. Bingo. ILB/MLB is the RB of the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 The pitcher is the most important position in sports. But the single player who is the pitcher isn't the most important player because he doesn't pitch the whole game and pitch once every 5 days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotun_Fan Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Pitchers don't play every game but they have a direct impact on the game orders of magnitude higher than a QB when they do play. If their catcher and defense are even of marginal quality they can pretty much shut down the opposing team on their own if they're talented enough. QBs being successful rely on so many things besides themselves to be successful, line play, coaching, game plan, decent receivers. QB more important overall I think, but I don't see how you could argue de>pitcher unless you have a strong dislike for baseball. Madison Bumgarner in the world series might have been the most dominant single player performance in a team sport I've seen. I don't know enough about hockey or basketball but I'd wager goalie is more important too, basketball I know nothing. In soccer I'd wager a premier striker is more important as well. I mean, for most of these team sports you're probably going to have good arguments against any position in football (besides qb) since football has so many starters per team. Something like 25 starters versus 5 for basketball and 11 for soccer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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